Ben Roethlisberger � A
Historical Perspective
By: Steel Perch
It�s has been a hotly debated topic for some time now where Ben Roethlisberger stands in the hierarchy of today�s QB�s, and how he ranks historically vs. the greats.� Take a look at any local Sunday paper, any message board, or watch any pre-game show and you�ll hear a ton of opinions ranging anywhere from Ben is equal to Rex Grossman to Ben is John Elway reincarnated.� Typically you�ll see little statistical facts to back the arguments.� Well finally, here is the article you have been looking for.
I decided to pull some stats and compare Ben to �The Big Nine� QB�s of the modern era.� Simply put, I threw out any QB�s that played before the rule changes became more liberal for passers, so I�m only looking at the 9 HOF QB�s that played their career from 1980 - 2007.� Anyone who played before that most likely won�t have stats that are as good as these modern guys (apples and oranges).� The �Big 9� guys are: Montana, Marino, Young, Moon, Elway, Kelly, Favre, Manning, Brady, with Ben Roethlisberger for comparisons sake.�� Looking solely at the first four years of the career here is where these guys rank:
The Rankings amongst Ben and the �Big Nine�:
Ben Roethlisberger ranks as follows through their first four years:
#1 in Completion percentage
#1 in yards per Attempt
# 2 in QB rating behind only Marino
# 3 in TD�s (projected through end of year)
# 5 in yards (projected through end of year)
# 2 in win percentage behind Brady
QB Effectiveness:
My thoughts on QB play are that any knucklehead can throw for yards.� Bad teams trail hence throw more.� A quick look down the All time Passing Yardage charts will turn up Vinny Testaverde, Steve Deberg, Kerry Collins, Dave Kreig, and Jim Hart in the top 20!� Those guys are hardly great QB�s.� A John Kitna, Brad Johnson, or Tommy Maddox can end up near the top of the league in passing yards for a season.� The best QB performance indicators are Yards Per Attempt (YPA), Completion % and QB Rating.� Roethlisberger has shown he is the most efficient passer of this entire group over his first four years of his career.� He has played in a fairly ground oriented system so his attempts, yards, and TD�s aren�t as high as some others, but when Ben has thrown the ball, he�s done so more effectively than anyone on this HOF list over his first four years.�
For comparisons sake:
Ben will have three of his first four years with YPA over 8.0, a QB rating over 98, and a completion % over 625.� For comparisons sake:
YPA - John Elway never broke 8 YPA for a season in his entire career, nor did Joe Montana, Warren Moon, or Tom Brady (until this year).� Manning has done it only twice, Kelly 3 times.� Ben will match that in his first 4 years.� Mr Gunslinger himself, Brett Favre has never hit the YPA mark for a season!
Comp% - Elway, Kelly & Marino only broke 61% 3 times in their careers. Ben has done it 3 out of 4 years.
QB Ratings � Ben is head and shoulders above everyone but Marino for the first 4 years of their career.� Ben is on pace to end his career as one of the top 3 highest rated QB�s to ever play the game.
The Number 23 & the third year slump:
Manning, Favre, Marino, Elway, Moon all had at least one 23 INT year in their first four years.� Ben has taken a lot of heat for last year�s performance, but he went through the windshield of a Buick, had an appendectomy, and a concussion in a few month span just coming off an emotional playoff run and SB win.� The funny thing is Ben�s worst year (75 QB rating) was better than the first four year total of Moon, Young, and Elway.� You�ll never hear any national media folks cite that little tidbit.�
Also, Elway, Moon, Kelly, and Favre all had set back years in their 3rd season.� Brett Favre�s season 3 is eerily similar to Ben�s, sans windshield excuse.
The playoffs and SB:
Do you know who the highest rated passer in the playoffs is over the past two years?� Ben Roethlisberger.� While Tom Brady was intercepted at crucial times and threw away games for losses in 3 of his last 4 playoff games (although they ended up beating SD), Peyton Manning took a whooping vs. Pittsburgh two years ago and was pretty average in their SB run last year,� Ben out performed all other QB�s.� You�ll always get the �Ben sucked in the SB� argument.� Yeah, he laid an egg, but the three road wins he had leading up to the big game were historically great, and he is 5-1 all time in the post season.� Only Tom Brady has a better post season win%.� People always forget how Marino wasn�t so hot in his only SB performance, Elway lost his first three, Kelly lost 4, and Moon never made one.� They get a pass though I suppose.
Summary:
The typical media perception of Roethlisberger has been that he is a good QB that simply manages games, but pails in comparison to the great QB�s in the history of the game.� I think the chart below proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that Ben in his first 4 years is as good, or better than any HOF QB we have seen in the past 25+ years.
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The Chart:
QB |
Year |
Comp |
Att |
% |
Yards |
YPA |
TD |
INT |
Rating |
Roethlisberger |
2004 |
196 |
295 |
66.4 |
2621 |
8.9 |
17 |
11 |
98.1 |
Roethlisberger |
2005 |
168 |
268 |
62.7 |
2385 |
8.9 |
17 |
9 |
98.6 |
Roethlisberger |
2006 |
280 |
469 |
59.7 |
3513 |
7.5 |
18 |
23 |
75.4 |
Roethlisberger |
2007 |
214 |
320 |
66.9 |
2564 |
8 |
25 |
11 |
102.9 |
totals |
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858 |
1352 |
63.46% |
11083 |
8.197 |
77 |
54 |
91.47 |
Notes:
Comp% above 62 % 3 times, Qb rating above 98 3 times, YPA above 8 3 times |
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QB |
Year |
Comp |
Att |
% |
Yards |
YPA |
TD |
INT |
Rating |
ELWAY |
1983 |
123 |
259 |
47.5 |
1663 |
6.4 |
7 |
14 |
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ELWAY |
1984 |
214 |
380 |
56.3 |
2598 |
6.8 |
18 |
15 |
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ELWAY |
1985 |
327 |
605 |
54 |
3891 |
6.4 |
22 |
23 |
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ELWAY |
1986 |
280 |
504 |
55.6 |
3485 |
6.9 |
19 |
13 |
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totals |
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944 |
1748 |
54.00% |
11637 |
6.657 |
66 |
65 |
71.92 |
Notes:
never broke 8 YPA in his career, only 25 TD's 4 times, 61% 3 times. |
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QB |
Year |
Comp |
Att |
% |
Yards |
YPA |
TD |
INT |
Rating |
Marino |
1983 |
173 |
296 |
58.4 |
2210 |
7.5 |
20 |
6 |
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Marino |
1984 |
362 |
564 |
64.2 |
5084 |
9 |
48 |
17 |
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Marino |
1985 |
336 |
567 |
59.3 |
4137 |
7.3 |
30 |
21 |
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Marino |
1986 |
378 |
623 |
60.7 |
4746 |
7.6 |
44 |
23 |
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totals |
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1249 |
2050 |
60.93% |
16177 |
7.891 |
142 |
67 |
95.21 |
Notes:
only 3 years in entire career with comp% above 61% |
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QB |
Year |
Comp |
Att |
% |
Yards |
YPA |
TD |
INT |
Rating |
Montana |
1979 |
13 |
23 |
56.5 |
96 |
4.2 |
1 |
0 |
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Montana |
1980 |
176 |
273 |
64.5 |
1795 |
6.6 |
15 |
9 |
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Montana |
1981 |
311 |
488 |
63.7 |
3565 |
7.3 |
19 |
12 |
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Montana |
1982 |
213 |
346 |
61.6 |
2613 |
7.6 |
17 |
11 |
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totals |
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713 |
1130 |
63.10% |
8069 |
7.141 |
52 |
32 |
87.96 |
Notes:
only broke 8 ypa for a season once! |
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QB |
Year |
Comp |
Att |
% |
Yards |
YPA |
TD |
INT |
Rating |
MOON |
1984 |
259 |
450 |
57.6 |
3338 |
7.4 |
12 |
14 |
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MOON |
1985 |
200 |
377 |
53.1 |
2709 |
7.2 |
15 |
19 |
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MOON |
1986 |
256 |
488 |
52.5 |
3489 |
7.1 |
13 |
26 |
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MOON |
1987 |
184 |
368 |
50 |
2806 |
7.6 |
21 |
18 |
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totals |
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899 |
1683 |
53.42% |
12342 |
7.333 |
61 |
77 |
70.17 |
Notes:
Only once over� 8ypa and twice over 61%
for career, 3 years over 25 tds |
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QB |
Year |
Comp |
Att |
% |
Yards |
YPA |
TD |
INT |
Rating |
Kelly |
1986 |
285 |
480 |
59.4 |
3593 |
7.5 |
22 |
17 |
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Kelly |
1987 |
250 |
419 |
59.7 |
2798 |
6.7 |
19 |
11 |
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Kelly |
1988 |
269 |
452 |
59.5 |
3380 |
7.5 |
15 |
17 |
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Kelly |
1989 |
228 |
391 |
58.3 |
3130 |
8 |
25 |
18 |
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totals |
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1032 |
1742 |
59.24% |
12901 |
7.406 |
81 |
63 |
82.74 |
3 times in
career over 61% and 3 times over 8 YPA.�
Only had a 25 Td season twice in career. |
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QB |
Year |
Comp |
Att |
% |
Yards |
YPA |
TD |
INT |
Rating |
Favre |
1991 |
0 |
4 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
2 |
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Favre |
1992 |
302 |
471 |
64.1 |
3227 |
6.9 |
18 |
13 |
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Favre |
1993 |
318 |
522 |
60.9 |
3303 |
6.3 |
19 |
24 |
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Favre |
1994 |
363 |
582 |
62.4 |
3882 |
6.7 |
33 |
14 |
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totals |
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983 |
1579 |
62.25% |
10412 |
6.594 |
70 |
53 |
82.23 |
NEVER over
8 YPA in career! MR Gunslinger..� 3rd
year = Bens windshield year; First 4 year stat totals = Ben's |
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QB |
Year |
Comp |
Att |
% |
Yards |
YPA |
TD |
INT |
Rating |
Manning |
1998 |
326 |
575 |
56.7 |
3739 |
6.5 |
26 |
28 |
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Manning |
1999 |
331 |
533 |
62.1 |
4135 |
7.8 |
26 |
15 |
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Manning |
2000 |
357 |
571 |
62.5 |
4413 |
7.7 |
33 |
15 |
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Manning |
2001 |
343 |
547 |
62.7 |
4131 |
7.6 |
26 |
23 |
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totals |
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1357 |
2226 |
60.96% |
16418 |
7.376 |
111 |
81 |
85.08 |
only twice
over 8 YPA |
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QB |
Year |
Comp |
Att |
% |
Yards |
YPA |
TD |
INT |
Rating |
Brady |
2000 |
1 |
3 |
33.3 |
6 |
2 |
0 |
0 |
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Brady |
2001 |
264 |
413 |
63.9 |
2843 |
6.9 |
18 |
12 |
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Brady |
2002 |
373 |
601 |
62.1 |
3764 |
6.3 |
28 |
14 |
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Brady |
2003 |
317 |
527 |
60.2 |
3620 |
6.9 |
23 |
12 |
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totals |
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955 |
1544 |
61.85% |
10233 |
6.628 |
69 |
38 |
85.88 |
Never over
8 YPA for a season (until this year) |
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QB |
Year |
Comp |
Att |
% |
Yards |
YPA |
TD |
INT |
Rating |
Young |
1985 |
72 |
138 |
52.2 |
935 |
6.8 |
3 |
8 |
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Young |
1986 |
195 |
363 |
53.7 |
2282 |
6.3 |
8 |
13 |
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Young |
1987 |
37 |
69 |
53.6 |
570 |
8.3 |
10 |
0 |
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Young |
1988 |
54 |
101 |
53.5 |
680 |
6.7 |
3 |
3 |
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totals |
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358 |
671 |
53.35% |
4467 |
6.657 |
24 |
24 |
71.3 |
Only 4
seasons with 25+ Td's |
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