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[SnatchSacker Profile]

Hammer, that is spot on brother. It is insane the number of people buying into this Obama crap.
The government doesn't need to raise tax's, for gods sake we pay plenty of tax's! Those mother fuckers need to stop spending it all on bullshit!

[joest73 Profile]

Couldn't have said it any better Hammer!
Sorry for posting something that was a little to harsh.
It is hard to believe that we are two days from electing Obama and little of that information is getting out to the public.
Trust me I wouldn't have a problem voting for Colin Powell for President...... Hell if this was the time for a democrat I'd rather
have Hillary!

[joest73 Profile]

I am losing respect for the Rooney Family. Dan you did alot for the NFL and the "Rooney Rule" is great, but stop trying so hard.
You already hired a coach that wasn't ready on day one so why endorse a marxist that isn't ready to be President
yet and hopefully will never have the chance with his radical associations?

(Moderator edited racial content)

Barack Obama graduated at the top of his class from Harvard law school (the best in the world arguably), was president of the Harvard law review, and taught Constitutional law. He turned down six figure jobs after graduation to work in dirt poor communities in Chicago and made peanuts (I think $20K a year and had to borrow a couple thousand from his boss to drive a POS car). Not sure where you all get the impression that he's anything BUT highly intelligent and imminently qualified for the job.

And, you don't know what the hell marxism is beside the fact that Republicans call Democrats communists for daring to have different political ideas. Funny, McCain has been pimping Obama's relationship with this muslim ex-PLO spokesman yet he gave the same guy $500,000 dollars.

Are you the same GodfatherofSoul from the Steelers newsgroup? We had a few political discussions there from what I remember.
Hillary Clinton is a Democrat. Howard Dean is part of the radical left wing of the Democratric Party. Dean got his guy. IF Obama gets elected
he will run that faction of the party into irrelevency in 4 years and possibly in time for 2010. I am still not so sure that Obama will win the election.

I don't know where to begin with Khalidi. Yes the organization that McCain was involved in funded money to an organization that Khalidi was part of, but I can't Imagine McCain sitting in a dinner for Khalidi and clapping to his objections to Israel.
Hey, I would have no problem if the "media" would look into McCain's involvement with Khalidi if they also back check Obama's relationship with
him and why this tape can't be revealed. You know if it was McCain in the tape it would have been released long ago.
Full Disclosure... that is what the American people deserve.... after all we can't do-over the election after some of these details start leaking
after Nov. 4th.

[GodfatherofSoul Profile]

Once again Godfather proves he doens't know what he is alking about.
If fact:

Obama has never released records from his time at Harvard Law School.

Obama won’t release his college records from Occidental College either where he studied for two years before transferring to Columbia.

Obama’s campaign refuses to give Columbia University, where he earned an undergraduate degree in political science, permission to release his transcripts. Such transcripts would list the courses Obama took, and his grades. President George W. Bush, and presidential contenders Al Gore and John Kerry, all released their college transcripts. (McCain has also refused to release his Naval Academy transcript.)

Obama’s college dissertation has simply disappeared from Columbia Universities archives. In July, in response to a flurry of requests to review Obama’s senior thesis at the Ivy League school, reportedly titled “Soviet Nuclear Disarmament,” Obama spokesman Ben LaBolt told NBC News “We do not have a copy of the course paper you requested and neither does Columbia University.”

Pretty secretive about his education. By the Way - WHO PAID FOR IT because he had NO STUDENT LOANS?

BUT IT DOESN'T STOP THERE, aspects of Obama’s public and private life continued to be shielded from the public.

Among the examples:

The senator has not agreed to the release of his application to the Illinois state bar, which would clear up intermittent allegations that his application to the bar may have been inaccurate.


Obama has released just one brief document detailing his personal health. McCain, on the other hands, released what he said was his complete medical file totaling more than 1500 pages. After criticism on the matter, the Obama campaign also released some routine lab-test results and electrocardiograms for Obama. All test results appeared normal, but many details about his health remain a mystery.



Obama has refused to offer his official papers as a state legislator in Illinois, and has been unable to produce correspondence, such as letters from lobbyists and other correspondence from his days in the Illinois state senate. There are also no appointment calendars available of his official activities. “It could have been thrown out,” Obama said while on the campaign trail during the Democratic primary. “I haven’t been in the state Senate now for quite some time.”


Obama also has not disclosed the names of small donors giving $200 or less to his campaign. An exception to the finance-reporting laws exempts the campaign from reporting those who donate less than $200, but that law never envisioned the more than $300 million that has been raised by Obama in small amounts. The Republican National Committee has released its small donors, as well as McCain’s, on a public database.

As for the claim that he is "imminently qualified "

You couldn't get a job at McDonalds and become district manager after 143 days of experience.
You couldn't become chief of surgery after 143 days of experience of being a surgeon.
You couldn't get a job as a teacher and be the superintendent after 143 days of experience.
You couldn't join the military and become a colonel after a 143 days of experience.
You couldn't get a job as a reporter and become the nightly news anchor after 143 days of experience.

BUT....

From the time Barack Obama was sworn in as a United State Senator,
to the time he announced he was forming a Presidential exploratory committee,
he logged 143 days of experience in the Senate.
That's how many days the Senate was actually in session and working.

WHAT HAS HE ACTUALLY DONE?

FINALLY,
"Spreading the Wealth Around" is NOT a daring new political idea. Look at History, It's been tried, and it has failed.

So, are you saying that everyone is lying about Barack Obama graduating 1st in his class from Harvard? I'm not even going to bother looking up what you're posted because it's simply unbelievable that such a lie wouldn't have been vetted by now. Just like the bogus claims about his citizenship. And, just who are you implying paid for his college education? Al Qaeda?

Obama is in phenomenal shape. I say this because I have terrible blood pressure and he has the systolic/diastolic (hope I got terms right) of someone in excellent shape. What are you expecting to uncover? His doctor gave a brief report because there was nothing to report. McCain on the other hand gave a handful of reporters about 30 minutes to review hundreds of unnumbered pages with no ability to make copies. Now, that is shady as hell especially since his history of health problems place him and extremely high risk for a recurrence of terminal cancer.

As for "spreading the wealth," it happens EVERY DAY in America. We call it a progressive tax system. I pay more in taxes as a percentage than I did when I was making $8/hour 10 years ago. And, it works great. Why? Because I can afford to pay the taxes that would literally take food and utilities away from someone making $8/hour.

[GodfatherofSoul Profile]

Are you the same GodfatherofSoul from the Steelers newsgroup? We had a few political discussions there from what I remember.
Hillary Clinton is a Democrat. Howard Dean is part of the radical left wing of the Democratric Party. Dean got his guy. IF Obama gets elected
he will run that faction of the party into irrelevency in 4 years and possibly in time for 2010. I am still not so sure that Obama will win the election.

I don't know where to begin with Khalidi. Yes the organization that McCain was involved in funded money to an organization that Khalidi was part of, but I can't Imagine McCain sitting in a dinner for Khalidi and clapping to his objections to Israel.
Hey, I would have no problem if the "media" would look into McCain's involvement with Khalidi if they also back check Obama's relationship with
him and why this tape can't be revealed. You know if it was McCain in the tape it would have been released long ago.
Full Disclosure... that is what the American people deserve.... after all we can't do-over the election after some of these details start leaking
after Nov. 4th.

Good to see someone from the old newsgroup! I stopped posting there long ago because of all the problems we started having without moderators. We do have the occasional idiot going on racist rants, but usually that stuff gets nipped quickly.

Hillary, Dean, and Obama are NOT radical left wingers. Hillary and Dean are moderates and Obama is in the middle of the pack. That's been an attack levied at EVERYONE on the left who isn't riding the fence like Lieberman. Every Presidential election year, some Conservative think tank deems the Democratic nominee to be the "most liberal member" of Congress. What a coincidence... We have a guy in the Senate that calls himself a friggin' Socialist!

As for the next 4 years, you're going to see what it's like to have people in power who aren't there to funnel money to their buddies at Haliburton and KBR. People who want to see government WORK, not subverting it to prove their own failed ideologies.

And Khalidi? What bothers you more, someone listening to him at a dinner/speech or someone giving him a half million? There's a big difference between criticizing Israel and funding suicide bombers. This is a non-issue. I have my own criticisms of Israel:

* They're the 100th largest country in the world yet have the 5th largest nuclear arsenal. That massive nuclear arsenal is a big part of the reason other countries in the region want their own nukes. Plus, Israel just flat out lies about the existence of their nukes and doesn't subject themselves international oversight, which makes the US look like a bunch of hypocrites when we slam Korea or Iran for wanting nukes.
* They get way more in foreign aid than we give any other country, then they turn around and use that money to lobby our politicians and change US policy in their favor (and sometimes to our own detriment).
* They sell the weapons technology we share with them for self defense to our enemies; then tell us to fuck off when we criticize them for it.

Israel is our ally, but they're not beyond reproach.

[joest73 Profile]

Hillary, Dean, and Obama are NOT radical left wingers. Hillary and Dean are moderates and Obama is in the middle of the pack. That's been an attack levied at EVERYONE on the left who isn't riding the fence like Lieberman. Every Presidential election year, some Conservative think tank deems the Democratic nominee to be the "most liberal member" of Congress. What a coincidence... We have a guy in the Senate that calls himself a friggin' Socialist!

As for the next 4 years, you're going to see what it's like to have people in power who aren't there to funnel money to their buddies at Haliburton and KBR. People who want to see government WORK, not subverting it to prove their own failed ideologies.

Godfather,

I hope you are right. I have my doubts an I fully expect the same "funneling" to go on it will just be with different companies. If Obama wins I'll hope for the best
for him and our country.

[thesteelhammer Profile]

So, are you saying that everyone is lying about Barack Obama graduating 1st in his class from Harvard?

Who is saying it?

I'm not even going to bother looking up what you're posted because it's simply unbelievable that such a lie wouldn't have been vetted by now.

Just keep drinking the Kool-Aide. Where's that intellectual curiosity?
Just be cause MSNBC and the rest of the Liberal Media hav their lips so far up Obama's ass that they won't report the truth doesn't mean it hasn't been reported. http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/obama_secrecy/2008/10/22/143157.html

And, just who are you implying paid for his college education?

GOOD QUESTION. While others have speculated,
http://www.newsmax.com/timmerman/obama_harvard_/2008/09/23/133199.html
All I am saying is that I'd like to know.

Obama is in phenomenal shape.

So why not release his full medical records?
The guy was a smoker when this campaign began - there is your risk of cancer.
(I think I can actually hear you sipping the Kool-Aide)

As for "spreading the wealth," it happens EVERY DAY in America. We call it a progressive tax system. I pay more in taxes as a percentage than I did when I was making $8/hour 10 years ago. And, it works great. Why? Because I can afford to pay the taxes that would literally take food and utilities away from someone making $8/hour

Spoken like a true liberal.
WHY SHOULD YOUR HARD WORK PAY FOR THE FOOD AND UTILITIES OF SOMEONE ELSE?
You aren't "taking" food and utilities away from someone making $8 an hour. THEY NEVER EARNED IT.



By the way,
You never told us WHAT HAS OBAMA ACTUALLY DONE?
(Besides talk pretty.)

[thesteelhammer Profile]

Since you don't want to tell us what The One has done,
Let's look at what he says he Will Do - IN HIS OWN WORDS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hdi4onAQBWQ

Under his plan, "If someone wants to build a coal power plant they can, it's just that it will bankrupt them..."

Biden says "Build them over there."

[joest73 Profile]

Since you don't want to tell us what The One has done,
Let's look at what he says he Will Do - IN HIS OWN WORDS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hdi4onAQBWQ

Under his plan, "If someone wants to build a coal power plant they can, it's just that it will bankrupt them..."

Biden says "Build them over there."

That Youtube user has several videos that anyone considering voting for Obama
should watch before Tuesday.

Here's a good one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bueCxeXZAUU

Here's a good cartoon from the 40's:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVh75ylAUXY

[The Fan Of STEEL Profile]

Hammer is correct. Spreading the wealth is not a new idea. It has been done by the Republicans many times. What they did was take the money from those that have less and cut the taxes to those with more, spreading the wealth from the bottom to the top.

Now it will be reversed and the money will be spread from the top to the bottom.

[The Fan Of STEEL Profile]

A vote for McCain is a vote for more of the same old BS. I don't give a rats ass about what Obama is supposed to not know or supposedly weak on. It's time for something different and Obama fits that role is a much better choice between the two. One look at McCain and his decision to pick Palin for VP should be enough to make any sane person who is not a far right wing religious voter not even consider voting for him.
If you like the way the Bushies ran the country into the ditch, vote for McCain.

I'm looking forward to watching these republicans who said to support Bush because he is the President, support Obama or go out and have to protest against him like "traitors" to their country as they called those that protested Dubya.

[thesteelhammer Profile]

Nice rehtoric, But No Facts to back up your lies.

Here are some facts:

In just two years . Remember the election in 2006?
Thought you might like to read the following:
A little over one year ago:
1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2 1/2 year high;
2) Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon;
3) The unemployment rate was 4.5%.

Since voting in a Democratic Congress in 2006 we have seen:
1) Consumer confidence plummet;
2) The cost of regular gasoline soar at times to almost $4 a gallon;
3) Unemployment is up to 5% (a 10% increase);
4) American households have seen $2.3 trillion in equity value evaporate
(stock and mutual fund losses);
5) Americans have seen their ho me equity drop by $1.2 trillion dollars;
6) 1% of American homes are in foreclosure.

***America voted for change in 2006, and we got it!
Remember it's Congress that makes law, not the President.
He has to work with what's handed to him. ***

Quote of the Day........"My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the
history of the world. I hope you'll join with me as we try to change it."
-- Barack Obama
(Why the hell would we want to change the greatest nation in the history of the world????????)


Taxes...

Taxes under Clinton 1999...................Taxes under Bush 2008
Single making 30K - tax $8,400............Single making 30K - tax $4,500
Single making 50K - tax $14,000...........Single making 50K - tax $12,500
Single making 75K - tax $23,250...........Single making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 60K - tax $16,800..........Married making 60K- tax $9,000
Married making 75K - tax $21,000...........Married making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 125K - tax $38,750..........Married making 125K - tax $31,250

http://www.taxfoundation.org/publications/show/151.html

The democratic candidate will return to the higher tax rates It is amazing how many people that fall into the categories above think Bush is screwing them and Bill Clinton was the greatest President ever. If Obama is elected, he says he will repeal the Bush tax cuts and a good portion of the people that fall into the categories above can't wait for it to happen. This is like the movie The Sting with Paul Newman; you scam somebody out of some money and they don't even know what happened.

[joest73 Profile]

A vote for McCain is a vote for more of the same old BS. I don't give a rats ass about what Obama is supposed to not know or supposedly weak on. It's time for something different and Obama fits that role is a much better choice between the two. One look at McCain and his decision to pick Palin for VP should be enough to make any sane person who is not a far right wing religious voter not even consider voting for him.
If you like the way the Bushies ran the country into the ditch, vote for McCain.

I'm looking forward to watching these republicans who said to support Bush because he is the President, support Obama or go out and have to protest against him like "traitors" to their country as they called those that protested Dubya.

Wow... you don't care or don't know about Obama. Not a surprise. Well you want change.. and you'll get left of McGovern change. I don't know how any union member from PA and OH can support Obama and Biden since they both support the Employee Free Choice Act, a bill both McCain and McGovern oppose.
So Haliburton and KBR will be replace by BIG Government and Big Union demagogues.

Take a look at this for an argument for voting for McCain:
http://spectator.org/archives/2008/10/30/mccains-best-argument

[joest73 Profile]

The democratic candidate will return to the higher tax rates It is amazing how many people that fall into the categories above think Bush is screwing them and Bill Clinton was the greatest President ever. If Obama is elected, he says he will repeal the Bush tax cuts and a good portion of the people that fall into the categories above can't wait for it to happen. This is like the movie The Sting with Paul Newman; you scam somebody out of some money and they don't even know what happened.

Hammer,

I am not naive enough to believe that the economic downturn is as a result of the Democrats winning 2006, just as the blame can be put on the Bush administation.

Economics 101 will tell you that a healthy economy expands and contracts over the long haul. The current expansion started in the early 80's and peaked in the late 90's. We have been teatering on the edge since 2000. The key is to work through the
cycles and do as little as possible to hurt the economy. The Obama plan will do nothing but hurt the cycle.

The Stock Market is what it is and people need to learn that 20% return shouldn't be expected every year. A long term 8-10% is closer to the normal.

The housing market collapse was not a surprise either. Interest only loans and the other types of loans provided by Fannie Mae were granting loans to people that probably didn't deserve to own a home yet. The mindset that it is an American right to own a home started in the Clinton era and Bush did nothing to change that mindset.

[thesteelhammer Profile]

Hammer,

I am not naive enough to believe that the economic downturn is as a result of the Democrats winning 2006, just as the blame can be put on the Bush administation.

Economics 101 will tell you that a healthy economy expands and contracts over the long haul. The current expansion started in the early 80's and peaked in the late 90's. We have been teatering on the edge since 2000. The key is to work through the
cycles and do as little as possible to hurt the economy. The Obama plan will do nothing but hurt the cycle.

The Stock Market is what it is and people need to learn that 20% return shouldn't be expected every year. A long term 8-10% is closer to the normal.

The housing market collapse was not a surprise either. Interest only loans and the other types of loans provided by Fannie Mae were granting loans to people that probably didn't deserve to own a home yet. The mindset that it is an American right to own a home started in the Clinton era and Bush did nothing to change that mindset.

joest73,

I'm not saying Bush is blameless. There is enough blame to go around.
My point is that you don't raise taxes in this type of economy, and letting the Bush taxe cuts expire as Obama wants to do, is the same thing as raising taxes.

I agree with your assessment of the stock market.

Funny you should bring up Fannie & Freddie.
Check this out and see how Obama is connected to that mess.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bLFPjLaXPM