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[GodfatherofSoul Profile]

Now she's claiming that the VP is in charge of the Senate? Good God, I don't care how good you are at reading teleprompted one-liners, but shouldn't you at least understand what the job title entails before taking the offer?

[TheOldRanger Profile]

There's a photo of Palin on Wonkette, shows her wearing a lovely silk scarf...decorated with red, white, and blue donkeys, the word "VOTE" printed here an there on it...she seems oblivious to the fact that the scarf bears the repeated logo of her political rivals. "Clueless" is about the nicest thing one can say about this lady. And, corrupt in a backwoods, Boss Hogg kind of way. I half expect her to regale us with tales of her adventures whilst pursuing the errant Duke boys through the high bush of Alaska. She's probably just slick enough to half-manage a huge state with fewer people in it than Prince George's County, MD. A heartbeat away from the big job, I don't think so. Although, I would most probably do her, and hard.

[steelerette Profile]

Granted, Sarah Palin is a very beautiful woman, but that in no way makes her qualified to run our country should McCain be elected and die, which is quite possible, while in office. *shudders*

"Twit" is the word that comes to my mind when describing Sarah Palin.

Although, I would most probably do her, and hard.

I wouldn't, but, ya know, that's just me. I wouldn't even want her as a friend to hang out with unless it was to have someone to make fun of.

Did anyone hear her latest statement regarding fruit fly research?

[deathwind Profile]

Now she's claiming that the VP is in charge of the Senate? Good God, I don't care how good you are at reading teleprompted one-liners, but shouldn't you at least understand what the job title entails before taking the offer?

The V.P. IS President of the senate, ya know.

[TheOldRanger Profile]

Presiding over the Senate is not the same as being "in charge of the Senate." The VP gets to bang the gavel and call the session to order, then must sit back and shut the fuck up until such time as his/her vote is needed, and it's ONLY needed to break a deadlock. And that's all, Folks, that's the VP's job. Well, that and to be ready to go to work should the President die or fall ill or otherwise become incapacitated. Also, the VP goes to a lot of funerals.

[thesteelhammer Profile]

As with all quotes, CONTEXT IS IMPORTANT.
The statement in question here was made to GRADE SCHOOL KIDS.
She was explaining the VP's job to small children.
How would you explain it to that age group, so they could grasp it?

[TheOldRanger Profile]

I would tell the wee ones exactly what I posted, except I would not say "shut the fuck up." See? Question answered, knowledge spread, everybody happy.

[thesteelhammer Profile]

Then you'd be wrong because you oversimplified it and left out some important duties.

Here is the official U.S. Senate site run by the government.

http://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/briefing/Vice_President.htm

Notice the Title

Vice President of the United States (President of the Senate)

and the sections on the VP's duties

Vice-Presidential Duties


The framers also devoted scant attention to the vice president's duties, providing only that he "shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no Vote, unless they be evenly divided" (Article I, section 3). In practice, the number of times vice presidents have exercised this right has varied greatly. John Adams holds the record at 29 votes, followed closely by John C. Calhoun with 28. Since the 1870s, however, no vice president has cast as many as 10 tie-breaking votes. While vice presidents have used their votes chiefly on legislative issues, they have also broken ties on the election of Senate officers, as well as on the appointment of committees in 1881 when the parties were evenly represented in the Senate.

The vice president's other constitutionally mandated duty was to receive from the states the tally of electoral ballots cast for president and vice president and to open the certificates "in the Presence of the Senate and House of Representatives," so that the total votes could be counted (Article II, section 1). Only a few happy vice presidents — John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, Martin Van Buren, and George Bush — had the pleasure of announcing their own election as president. Many more were chagrined to announce the choice of some rival for the office.

Several framers ultimately refused to sign the Constitution, in part because they viewed the vice president's legislative role as a violation of the separation of powers doctrine. Elbridge Gerry, who would later serve as vice president, declared that the framers "might as well put the President himself as head of the legislature." Others thought the office unnecessary but agreed with Connecticut delegate Roger Sherman that "if the vice-President were not to be President of the Senate, he would be without employment, and some member [of the Senate, acting as presiding officer] must be deprived of his vote."

Under the original code of Senate rules, the presiding officer exercised great power over the conduct of the body's proceedings. Rule XVI provided that "every question of order shall be decided by the President [of the Senate], without debate; but if there be a doubt in his mind, he may call for a sense of the Senate." Thus, contrary to later practice, the presiding officer was the sole judge of proper procedure and his rulings could not be turned aside by the full Senate without his assent.

The first two vice presidents, Adams and Jefferson, did much to shape the nature of the office, setting precedents that were followed by others. During most of the nineteenth century, the degree of influence and the role played within the Senate depended chiefly on the personality and inclinations of the individual involved. Some had great parliamentary skill and presided well, while others found the task boring, were incapable of maintaining order, or chose to spend most of their time away from Washington, leaving the duty to a president pro tempore. Some made an effort to preside fairly, while others used their position to promote the political agenda of the administration.

During the twentieth century, the role of the vice president has evolved into more of an executive branch position. Now, the vice president is usually seen as an integral part of a president's administration and presides over the Senate only on ceremonial occasions or when a tie-breaking vote may be needed. Yet, even though the nature of the job has changed, it is still greatly affected by the personality and skills of the individual incumbent.

DOES ANYONE ELSE THINK PALIN IS OWED AN APPOLOGY FOR BEING ATTACKED FOR SAYING THE V.P. IS THE PRESIDENT OF THE SENATE?
I mean where'd she get a crazy idea like that from, the Official U.S. Senate web-site or the actual Constitution?

If you disaree with her politics, then talk about her politics, but stop the Bull shit attacks.

[TheOldRanger Profile]

Hey, Hammer, I did forget about that opening-the-envelope-holding-the-electoral-college-tally. Sorry. So, I guess that's about it for Official Duties of the VPOTUS? What I've been posting is not a bullshit attack on Palin. She has zero credibility as anything other than just another opportunistic idealogue with no real intellectual curiosity (what were the names of those newspapers you read, Sarah honey?) and she has no more business running for VP than you do, hoss.

[GodfatherofSoul Profile]

Then you'd be wrong because you oversimplified it and left out some important duties.

Here is the official U.S. Senate site run by the government.

http://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/briefing/Vice_President.htm

Notice the Title

Vice President of the United States (President of the Senate)

and the sections on the VP's duties

Vice-Presidential Duties


The framers also devoted scant attention to the vice president's duties, providing only that he "shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no Vote, unless they be evenly divided" (Article I, section 3). In practice, the number of times vice presidents have exercised this right has varied greatly. John Adams holds the record at 29 votes, followed closely by John C. Calhoun with 28. Since the 1870s, however, no vice president has cast as many as 10 tie-breaking votes. While vice presidents have used their votes chiefly on legislative issues, they have also broken ties on the election of Senate officers, as well as on the appointment of committees in 1881 when the parties were evenly represented in the Senate.

The vice president's other constitutionally mandated duty was to receive from the states the tally of electoral ballots cast for president and vice president and to open the certificates "in the Presence of the Senate and House of Representatives," so that the total votes could be counted (Article II, section 1). Only a few happy vice presidents — John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, Martin Van Buren, and George Bush — had the pleasure of announcing their own election as president. Many more were chagrined to announce the choice of some rival for the office.

Several framers ultimately refused to sign the Constitution, in part because they viewed the vice president's legislative role as a violation of the separation of powers doctrine. Elbridge Gerry, who would later serve as vice president, declared that the framers "might as well put the President himself as head of the legislature." Others thought the office unnecessary but agreed with Connecticut delegate Roger Sherman that "if the vice-President were not to be President of the Senate, he would be without employment, and some member [of the Senate, acting as presiding officer] must be deprived of his vote."

Under the original code of Senate rules, the presiding officer exercised great power over the conduct of the body's proceedings. Rule XVI provided that "every question of order shall be decided by the President [of the Senate], without debate; but if there be a doubt in his mind, he may call for a sense of the Senate." Thus, contrary to later practice, the presiding officer was the sole judge of proper procedure and his rulings could not be turned aside by the full Senate without his assent.

The first two vice presidents, Adams and Jefferson, did much to shape the nature of the office, setting precedents that were followed by others. During most of the nineteenth century, the degree of influence and the role played within the Senate depended chiefly on the personality and inclinations of the individual involved. Some had great parliamentary skill and presided well, while others found the task boring, were incapable of maintaining order, or chose to spend most of their time away from Washington, leaving the duty to a president pro tempore. Some made an effort to preside fairly, while others used their position to promote the political agenda of the administration.

During the twentieth century, the role of the vice president has evolved into more of an executive branch position. Now, the vice president is usually seen as an integral part of a president's administration and presides over the Senate only on ceremonial occasions or when a tie-breaking vote may be needed. Yet, even though the nature of the job has changed, it is still greatly affected by the personality and skills of the individual incumbent.

DOES ANYONE ELSE THINK PALIN IS OWED AN APPOLOGY FOR BEING ATTACKED FOR SAYING THE V.P. IS THE PRESIDENT OF THE SENATE?
I mean where'd she get a crazy idea like that from, the Official U.S. Senate web-site or the actual Constitution?

If you disaree with her politics, then talk about her politics, but stop the Bull shit attacks.

Palin said the VP is "in charge of the Senate" which is flat out wrong. She then went into how the VP would be involved in crafting legislation with the Senate. No VP has ever had or ever will have that power. And, she wasn't talking to a child, she was talking to an adult interviewer, she just candidly recalled being asked the same thing by a kid earlier.

Funny how people who think Obama is a socialist (with no comprehension of the meaning of the word), a muslim, and a radical Christian suddenly find the time to start googling for Constitutional history. Or, maybe this was floated in another one of wingbat chain emails that has you all so confused.

[thesteelhammer Profile]

OldRanger,
I am not your “Hoss” and she isn’t your “honey”, and if you knew me, you might actually think I was qualified. (I certainly meet the constitutional requirements.) Instead of educating yourself, you have reacted in the typical liberal fashion of attacking those you don’t know or don’t understand or simply disagree with.

Godfather,
In the face of actual facts, You also have reverted to the liberal attack mode. I didn’t just start googling anything, or refer to some junk email. I actually know something about the constitution, the senate, and the workings of our government. (I also never said anything about anyone being a socialist, Muslim, or even Christian)

To my knowledge the words “In charge of the Senate" do not appear anywhere, in any government document, but they are not “flat out wrong” to describe the role of the VP in the Senate.

Senate Rules can be found at http://rules.senate.gov/senaterules/

They make it very clear that the Presiding officer (who is the VP, except in his/her absence) basically runs the order of the room.

Rule IV addresses COMMENCEMENT OF DAILY SESSIONS and includes “the Presiding Officer, or a Senator designated by the Presiding Officer, leads the Senate from the dias in reciting the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag of the United States…”
And
“During a session of the Senate when that body is in continuous session, the Presiding Officer shall temporarily suspend the business of the Senate at noon each day for the purpose of having the customary daily prayer by the Chaplain.”

Rule VI addresses whether there is a Quarum. It includes these words “If, at any time during the daily sessions of the Senate, a question shall be raised by any Senator as to the presence of a quorum, the Presiding Officer shall forthwith direct the Secretary to call the roll and shall announce the result, and these proceedings shall be without debate”

Rule XIX addresses debate, and includes these words “When a Senator desires to speak, he shall rise and address the Presiding Officer, and shall not proceed until he is recognized, and the Presiding Officer shall recognize the Senator who shall first address him. No Senator shall interrupt another Senator in debate without his consent, and to obtain such consent he shall first address the Presiding Officer…”
And
“If any Senator, in speaking or otherwise, in the opinion of the Presiding Officer transgress the rules of the Senate the Presiding Officer shall, either on his own motion or at the request of any other Senator, call him to order; and when a Senator shall be called to order he shall take his seat, and may not proceed without leave of the Senate, which, if granted, shall be upon motion that he be allowed to proceed in order, which motion shall be determined without debate. Any Senator directed by the Presiding Officer to take his seat, and any Senator requesting the Presiding Officer to require a Senator to take his seat, may appeal from the ruling of the Chair, which appeal shall be open to debate.”
AND
“Whenever confusion arises in the Chamber or the galleries, or demonstrations of approval or disapproval are indulged in by the occupants of the galleries, it shall be the duty of the Chair to enforce order on his own initiative and without any point of order being made by a Senator”

Rule XX regarding questions of order reads:
“1. A question of order may be raised at any stage of the proceedings, except when the Senate is voting or ascertaining the presence of a quorum, and, unless submitted to the Senate, shall be decided by the Presiding Officer without debate, subject to an appeal to the Senate. When an appeal is taken, any subsequent question of order which may arise before the decision of such appeal shall be decided by the Presiding Officer without debate; and every appeal therefrom shall be decided at once, and without debate; and any appeal may be laid on the table without prejudice to the pending proposition, and thereupon shall be held as affirming the decision of the Presiding Officer.
2. The Presiding Officer may submit any question of order for the decision of the Senate.”

That sure sounds like being in charge.

You say “She then went into how the VP would be involved in crafting legislation with the Senate. No VP has ever had or ever will have that power.”
Actually the very first VP, John Adams was known for lecturing the senate on both procedural and policy maters, including persuading senators to vote against legislation he opposed.

[GodfatherofSoul Profile]

OldRanger,
I am not your “Hoss” and she isn’t your “honey”, and if you knew me, you might actually think I was qualified. (I certainly meet the constitutional requirements.) Instead of educating yourself, you have reacted in the typical liberal fashion of attacking those you don’t know or don’t understand or simply disagree with.

Godfather,
In the face of actual facts, You also have reverted to the liberal attack mode. I didn’t just start googling anything, or refer to some junk email. I actually know something about the constitution, the senate, and the workings of our government. (I also never said anything about anyone being a socialist, Muslim, or even Christian)

To my knowledge the words “In charge of the Senate" do not appear anywhere, in any government document, but they are not “flat out wrong” to describe the role of the VP in the Senate.

Senate Rules can be found at http://rules.senate.gov/senaterules/

They make it very clear that the Presiding officer (who is the VP, except in his/her absence) basically runs the order of the room.

Rule IV addresses COMMENCEMENT OF DAILY SESSIONS and includes “the Presiding Officer, or a Senator designated by the Presiding Officer, leads the Senate from the dias in reciting the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag of the United States…”
And
“During a session of the Senate when that body is in continuous session, the Presiding Officer shall temporarily suspend the business of the Senate at noon each day for the purpose of having the customary daily prayer by the Chaplain.”

Rule VI addresses whether there is a Quarum. It includes these words “If, at any time during the daily sessions of the Senate, a question shall be raised by any Senator as to the presence of a quorum, the Presiding Officer shall forthwith direct the Secretary to call the roll and shall announce the result, and these proceedings shall be without debate”

Rule XIX addresses debate, and includes these words “When a Senator desires to speak, he shall rise and address the Presiding Officer, and shall not proceed until he is recognized, and the Presiding Officer shall recognize the Senator who shall first address him. No Senator shall interrupt another Senator in debate without his consent, and to obtain such consent he shall first address the Presiding Officer…”
And
“If any Senator, in speaking or otherwise, in the opinion of the Presiding Officer transgress the rules of the Senate the Presiding Officer shall, either on his own motion or at the request of any other Senator, call him to order; and when a Senator shall be called to order he shall take his seat, and may not proceed without leave of the Senate, which, if granted, shall be upon motion that he be allowed to proceed in order, which motion shall be determined without debate. Any Senator directed by the Presiding Officer to take his seat, and any Senator requesting the Presiding Officer to require a Senator to take his seat, may appeal from the ruling of the Chair, which appeal shall be open to debate.”
AND
“Whenever confusion arises in the Chamber or the galleries, or demonstrations of approval or disapproval are indulged in by the occupants of the galleries, it shall be the duty of the Chair to enforce order on his own initiative and without any point of order being made by a Senator”

Rule XX regarding questions of order reads:
“1. A question of order may be raised at any stage of the proceedings, except when the Senate is voting or ascertaining the presence of a quorum, and, unless submitted to the Senate, shall be decided by the Presiding Officer without debate, subject to an appeal to the Senate. When an appeal is taken, any subsequent question of order which may arise before the decision of such appeal shall be decided by the Presiding Officer without debate; and every appeal therefrom shall be decided at once, and without debate; and any appeal may be laid on the table without prejudice to the pending proposition, and thereupon shall be held as affirming the decision of the Presiding Officer.
2. The Presiding Officer may submit any question of order for the decision of the Senate.”

That sure sounds like being in charge.

You say “She then went into how the VP would be involved in crafting legislation with the Senate. No VP has ever had or ever will have that power.”
Actually the very first VP, John Adams was known for lecturing the senate on both procedural and policy maters, including persuading senators to vote against legislation he opposed.

Is this what the American educational system has devolved to? We're having a debate about whether or not the VP is a member of the legislative branch? I'm not going to have it with you. Please go forth into the world and preach your new found knowledge.

[thesteelhammer Profile]

Is this what the American educational system has devolved to? We're having a debate about whether or not the VP is a member of the legislative branch? I'm not going to have it with you. Please go forth into the world and preach your new found knowledge.

There you go with that typical liberal response, attacking those you don’t understand or simply disagree with.

There is nothing "new found" about my knowledge.
The Constitution and the workings of our government are something I deal with everyday in my job.

It seems the knowledge is new to you though.
Maybe you should thank me for educating you on what you clearly missed when it was taught in the American Education System.

Can't you just admit you were wrong?

It doesn't mean you have to like her policies, agree with her policies, or even vote for the ticket she is on.

[TheOldRanger Profile]

Oh, indubitably, if ever I met ya, Hammer, I'd see that you're more than qualified to be Prezdint! Hell, you're probably qualified to be Emperor! King Steelhammer! Just fucking relax, hoss.

[Nel Profile]

I think it unwise to lean too far toward the characters at either pole, Democrat or Republican.

I don't trust any of them.

[deathwind Profile]

I think it unwise to lean too far toward the characters at either pole, Democrat or Republican.

I don't trust any of them.

Well, for sure I dont know who the fuck Hussien Obama is.

[thesteelhammer Profile]

Just fucking relax, hoss.

Like I said, Disagree with her politics all you want, but where I come from, when a couple of Ignorant baffoons WRONGLY belittle a woman, her integrity, her honor, and her intelligence, It Is Something Men Get Worked Up Over.

[steelerette Profile]

Like I said, Disagree with her politics all you want, but where I come from, when a couple of Ignorant baffoons WRONGLY belittle a woman, her integrity, her honor, and her intelligence, It Is Something Men Get Worked Up Over.

Well, I'm a woman, Hammer, and although Palin is quite a beautiful woman, she's a DINGBAT. Her husband doesn't seem like he's the brightest bulb in the chandelier, either. See? I'm an equal opportunity dingbat basher.

[thesteelhammer Profile]

Like I said, Disagree with her politics all you want, but where I come from, when a couple of Ignorant baffoons WRONGLY belittle a woman, her integrity, her honor, and her intelligence, It Is Something Men Get Worked Up Over.

Well, I'm a woman, Hammer, and although Palin is quite a beautiful woman, she's a DINGBAT. Her husband doesn't seem like he's the brightest bulb in the chandelier, either. See? I'm an equal opportunity dingbat basher.

Steelerette,

First, I don't find her particularly attractive. Even if I did, looks aren't a factor for me in deciding who should hold pubic office.

Second, Why do feel she is a "Dingbat"? Have you met her? Have you heard her speak in person? OR Is all of your exposure to her completely filtered through the media? She is actually quite bright and articulate in person. She has certainly been portrayed as stupid by most of the media, but what you are actually seeing is a hesitancy to answer "trap" questions, questions where no matter what she answers, she will be attacked. Forseeing that kind of trap is actually a sign of intelligence. (of course most politicians just avoid the trap, by working back to talking points - yuck ) Yet, she's been painted as a moron, and that's exactly the typical liberal response - attack the person rather than the ideas and issues. I thought that was the kind of "change" this dem ticket promised it was going to get away from in our politics.

Third, my point in responding to Godfather and Ranger here is that they said she was a moron for a statement about the VP's role in our government. Turns our she was correct, so who are the morons? That's right, Godfather and Ranger, but that's not all - tack on Joe Biden, who also got it wrong- AND HE'S A LAWYER! AND A MEMBER OF THE SENATE!
What's really going on is two smooth talking lawyers have bamboozeled half a nation (reminds me of the first OJ trial).

Like I said, disagree with her policies - tell us why her being pro-life is wrong, and how we should all be pro-choice? Tell us how drilling in Alaska is wrong for America? Talk about the War.
BUT ENOUGH OF THE PERSONAL ATTACKS - especially when they aren't true.

[Homer J Profile]

I think it unwise to lean too far toward the characters at either pole, Democrat or Republican.

I don't trust any of them.

She could dance on MY POLE!

She looked pretty hot even when she was preggers with the latest kid. You know, the one she had when her daughter was mysteriously out of school -- supposedly with mono!

But it DOES get cold up there in the winter, which I guess lasts about ten months...and ya gotta keep warm.

I don't trust any of them either, especially when they don't release their medical records. So let's get back to VP GILF and the pole dancing discussion. I'd do her.