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[isfry Profile]

Peyton goes 32/43 for 400 yds and two TDs, no sacks. Denver scored on six consecutive drives and it would have been seven if they didn't kneel down to end the last one. The Broncos put up more yards on the Cheats' defense in a playoff game than any other team in the smell-a-dick era. Putting the stamp on the reality that the Cheatriots can't win if they can't cheat. Justice is sweet.

They clearly dominated. Your doubt will forever stick with the Cheatriots SuperBowl wins.

The only doubt I have is... Steroids... Who is using it ? We know that the entire Seattle secondary used it... But is sure looks like a lot of players have "improved" their physical performance this week.

Just like Big Lamarr... My son always taught that his injuries are PED related... I am no specialist and I do not know what to think anymore

Roid-rage might also make sense of Richard Sherman's postgame rant...

[LenSherwood Profile]

You called it isfry! But did you think that New England would put up 16 points? Incredible. You know though-- half the people here know not to give Brady those shitty little five yard passes and what does LeBeau always do? He lines up with a ten yard cushion for every fuking back.

Well good call isfry... now who should I bet on in the Super Bowl?

Oh and you are dead on--that sure looked like Rhoid rage that Sherman did in that interview...

[isfry Profile]

Well good call isfry... now who should I bet on in the Super Bowl?

As a Stillers fan you oughtta know that defense wins championships. Plus, Manning shot his wad in the Boston game. Look for the Beast to run wild and Seattle to win in a close one.

[isfry Profile]

half the people here know not to give Brady those shitty little five yard passes and what does LeBeau always do? He lines up with a ten yard cushion for every fuking back.

Yup. And what happens when he has a guy more than ten yards down the field, like Edelman on Sunday or Welker two years ago in SB XLVI? BADLY overthrown, off target, incomplete. Both guys were WIDE OPEN and each would have walked in for an easy six. Does Manning miss that throw? Does Ben, for that matter?

It enrages me that nobody is up in arms about a guy who started his playoff career 10-0 with 3 rings (when they were cheating) and finishes 8-8 with no rings (after they got caught and the restrictions on stealing signals were enacted) but NOBODY in the mainstream cheat-ia is willing to call him on it. The NFL Network falls all over themselves for their brave reporting by daring to ask the question "Does this affect Tom Brady's legacy?" only to answer it with a resounding "NO!" from all participants and an offer of a group handjob for Brady. Same with smell-a-dick. Hasn't won since he got caught cheating. Got fined a couple bucks and a draft pick. Big fucking deal. They still talk about him like he reinvented the goddamn wheel. They were CHEATING!!! And still managed to only win by three points in each SB they actually won.

Dink and dunk is easy enough, when it isn't defended properly, but how about when your OC knows what the DC is calling across the field? It sickens me. Barry Bonds' baseball went to Cooperstown with an asterix branded on it (thank you Mark Ecko) because he was CHEATING and he denigrated the game and the whole spirit of competition. The same should happen to the three Lombardi trophies that Boston does not deserve. Fucking cheaters. Ptooie!

[Pommah Profile]

Do I think the Pats video'ing mattered?
Yes. BB doesn't bother with stuff that he thinks doesn't matter.

Do I think that explains everything?
It does not. Pats only went 10-0 in playoffs in '01,'03,'04. Cheating did not even get them into the playoffs in '02. '05 they got beat by the Broncos after beating the Jags, 1-1. '06 Got beat by the Colts after beating the Chargers, 2-2. So they established their .500 playoff record two years before the cheating was discovered.

The primary reason the Patriots went 10-0 in the playoffs in that era was their defense was exceptional. Look up the players they had, there was a huge amount of talent. BB was building the team through the D, as championships are won by defenses, when he lucked into Brady. Too bad Bledsoe got hurt, Brady would have ridden the bench another year or two. Note that Seattle has followed the same path, has a loaded D and lucked into Wilson, a 3rd round pick that many of the pundits panned when Seattle made it.

Before the Denver-New England game I wrote about the well-established path to beating Brady, which Denver followed to a T. It's tough, it takes a top-flight D to do it: tight coverage on the receivers off the line, relentless pressure. Teams that don't have the personnel for this (or bad coaching, hard to tell) give Brady's receivers a cushion, and Brady dinks and dunks them to death, where he is extremely quick on the read and a very accurate thrower.

Kraft has cheaped out many a time (team is usually well below the cap) and BB has a blind spot regarding receivers. 2006, the lead receiver was Reche Caldwell, a dude who was out of football two years later. He dropped two big passes in the championship game that should have both been touchdowns, and since they only lost by four, I argue that cheapness and blindness cost them another super bowl, as Indy went on to win it all. The reason the Pats went for Sanders in the pre-season was not to fuck with the steelers, it was because they can't develop good receivers on their own. Just look what Brady did when he had a leading receiver - broke every record in the book.

Brady is an exceptional QB and Belichick is the best coach, like it or not. It does not mean that either is flawless. It is, and always will be, next to impossible to say how much the cheating really helped.

[isfry Profile]

Brady is an exceptional QB and Belichick is the best coach, like it or not. It does not mean that either is flawless.

As for the first comment, I'm afraid you may be drinkin a little too much of that New England Kool-Aid, Pommah.

It is, and always will be, next to impossible to say how much the cheating really helped.

As for this one, I will say two things. One, it shouldn't matter HOW MUCH CHEATING REALLY HELPED. They cheated. Period. Two, one thing we do know for absolute certain is that the Cheats have not won a Super Bowl since they were outed in '07. Period.

It's a lot like A-Rod or Bonds. Yes, they were terrific, five-tool players WITHOUT cheating. But they cheated and it should be acknowledged and despised and they should be thrown out of the game. What if your kid was in the State Championships, lost by a field goal and it came out later that the opposing coach had video cameras secretly trained on the lips of your kid's coach on the other sideline, and that information was then relayed quickly to the opposing team? What would you tell your son? It's OK, kiddo, that's how they do it in the big leagues? I agree Brady is a great signal caller. I just think he gets lumped with the Montanas and Unitas' and Bradshaws of the world based on his rings, and we know that there was shit going on during that era that should give any unbiased observer great pause in analyzing those accomplishments.

[Pommah Profile]

As for the first comment, I'm afraid you may be drinkin a little too much of that New England Kool-Aid, Pommah.

Nah, don't think so. But I am reminded of that old saw, "In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king" when talking about football coaches.

I think that even without any SB victories, the appearance in '07 and '10, and the stats that continued post-cheating are enough to put Brady into the HoF.

And I agree about the cheating. When talking with Pats fans, I will always remind them of their SB wins, "Well, that was back when they had film" and they got nothing to say. Some point out how even Cowher has absolved them. Then I make two points:
1. Cowher and others make gobs of money of the NFL and maintaining that it isn't rigged or that championships weren't won by cheating is highly important to that, so of course they are going to say it didn't matter.
2. If it didn't matter, Gooddell would have shown the tapes to everybody, and said "See? No benefit from having them." We all know what he did istead.

The tapes alone weren't enough to get them to the show, but they might have enough to put them on top.

[isfry Profile]

Some point out how even Cowher has absolved them. Then I make two points:1. Cowher and others make gobs of money of the NFL and maintaining that it isn't rigged or that championships weren't won by cheating is highly important to that, so of course they are going to say it didn't matter.

Amen. I was just thinking about that argument earlier today. Like, now that Cowher is employed by CBS or whoever, he's gonna blow that gravy train up and upset the sponsors? We all know football has just become the brief distractions between Pappa John's commercials.

The tapes alone weren't enough to get them to the show, but they might have enough to put them on top.

Yup. Exactly my point. In a league with such parity, a little edge goes a long way. This point is only made stronger by the fact that, as I pointed out, they only won each of those three SB's by a combined 9 points and, as you pointed out, it wasn't enough to even get them there in '02 and '05.

just kiddin about the Kool-Aid, Pommah, you know I love ya, bro. But, in your little parable am I the blind guy or the one eyed man...wait a second...

[Pommah Profile]

fry, of course you're not the blind man.

Like all of us on this site, we are wiser than any of the people who actually get paid to coach, manage, game plan, or draft.

[SoCal Stiller Profile]

Like all of us on this site, we are wiser than any of the people who actually get paid to coach, manage, game plan, or draft.

That's pretty funny right there. I feel that way too sometimes!