View topic - LeBeau Needs to Go.....NOW!!!!!!

[Steelers76 Profile]

This isn't the fucking Arena Football League. This was an NFL Team with the top ranked D, playing at HOME with a 24-3 lead going into the second half against an Offense that was near the bottom of The NFL. Some of you think your being great fans for wanting to blindly excuse all the mistakes and boners that almost cost this Team an AFC Title. If you do, good for you. However, I'd rather be a realist instead of living in La-La-Land, so that I may see this team correct them and win SB No.7


I'm wasting my breath, I know. Some of you just don't get it, and probably never will....

[Steelers76 Profile]

Oh, and I DO think Arians needs to go. However, he wasn't the one that almost pissed away a 24-3 lead to a shitty offense that, off the top of my head, scored ZERO TDs in at least 3 games this season. They weren't playing the fucking Pats or Saints. There was no reason to abandon the rush and let that overrated shitstain just sit back in the pocket. NONE.

BRILLIANT statement. Contact me if ya want a job writing here.

Assuming your being serious, thanks for the offer. However, I'm not a good writer like yourself, Palmer Sucks, Steel Haven, etc. I just call it like I see it.(And until this season, was a big fan of LeBeau.) Looking forward to reading your report of this game, and also the comments from the retards that are sure to accuse you of being disloyal, (or some other such bullshit), instead of actually arguing THE FACTS. Keep up the good work, dude....

[PsychoWard Profile]

Let's see, the Offense gained a GRAND FUCKING TOTAL of 75 yards in the 2nd half; scoring ZERO points.

That is what made the game close you fucking imbecile.

That and a horrid snap in the fucking endzone after your defense's HEROIC goal line stand that prevented an 8:06 drive from scoring any points at all. That's right, the JEST had an EIGHT MINUTE DRIVE and got ZERO POINTS out of it.

The Steelers lost the turnover battle and yet the JEST managed ZERO points off of turnovers.

Again, the reality of this game is that our Offense was completely ineffective in the second half except for the key final drive.

The two JETS TDs were nothing more then bungling by individual players, the first was a great football play by Holmes after he saw Ike fall and a nice throw by Dirty Sanchez to take advantage. The second was two dofuses running into each other on a rub route(are these morons actually professional athletes)?

Dick played smart, he forced the jets to take the middle of the field and chew up the clock. They stuffed the JEST in the red zone.

What more can you ask for? Perfection? This is the real world sugartits, your fantasies of the Steelers winning their 10th Super Bowl 140-0 isn't gonna happen.

Now go clean the dingleberries out of StillMill's crack with your herpes-sore weeping tongue.

[Steelers76 Profile]

Fuck you, you kool-aid drinking LeBeau cocksucker. If you actually read my points, you'd know you are WRONG. Then again you wouldn't be the brain-dead fuck-head you are if you did.

[Steelers76 Profile]

LOL. He "played it smart" by going into prevent defense the entire second half, thus giving an awful offense and QB with a whopping 75 rating a chance to get back in the game. HOW THE FUCK DOES THAT EVEN MAKE SENSE??? Well, to a drooling idiot like you it does, I'm sure. Yeah, The Steelers O stunk in the second half, but they had a 21 POINT LEAD AT HOME to a team that's in the bottom half of The NFL in Offense. Yep. Always a sound strategy to let your oppent back up rather than knocking them out. That almost ALWAYS works....

[stillcello Profile]

Just because I disagree with a persons opinion about lebeau, the steelers, or anything else for that matter, does not mean I'm ignoring the facts. It means I'm interpreting what the facts mean differently. I watch every second of every game and pay close attention as well....short of watching game film like mill.

In the first half, there were tipped passes, better pressure, and a little lethargy from the entire jets team. In the 2nd half, the jets played with more focus and intensity. Doesn't that factor into the equation. So in the 2nd half, the defense allowed 14 points, 7 of which was when Ike fell down?

The 2nd half was similar to the first game in that it was tight and competitive, and for one half it was not.

Also I don't care what the jets offense Is ranked. They got to the champ game with some clutch play from their offense in the past 2 games and the steelers defense stuffed them late when the game was on the line and did not give up the lead

Here is another fact: Vegas oddsmakers picked the game 3 or 3.5 right? Steelers beat the line even with bonehead plays from ben, legursky, Ike etc. Also I highly doubt that we will have to worry about and prevent defense bs the packers!! : )

Here is one more fact... So mattar how much of a realist you think you are, it will not help the steepest schemes or play because we are just idiots on a small website ! : )

One more fact: we beat the team the colts and pats could not and we are going to the super bowl

[Steelers76 Profile]

Again, none of which excuses Dick for basically calling off the dogs when he had this team on it's heels. And given the fact that our top ranked D was at home going into the 2nd half of The AFC Championship Game with a commanding 24-3 lead, you should care what The Jets Offense is ranked, considering they will be playing a much more talented offensive team in The S.B....


Oh, and your right; Me being a realist will not help The Steelers in The S.B., just like the lot of you being Dick apologists won't either....

[IronCity__Man Profile]

I understand the Steelers are going to issue an apology later today for not beating every team this year 48-0 and reaching the Super Bowl for the third time since 2005.

[SojuMaster Profile]

I don't mean to be so negative, especially after another AFC Title, but if this Team wants to WIN The SB, you can't ignore this.

I don’t meant to be so negative, but I am going to be THAT negative. That reminiscent of when when says “No offense intended , but …” Then spout out the most offensive thing possible for the current situation.

Why don't you address the questions I raised to you instead of only quoting what you want to quote, dumbass kool-aid drinking dumb fuck. Morons like you don't realize that if you forget past mistakes, they will doom you in the future. Maybe you would, if you weren't tossing LeBeau's salad all the time. Again, FUCK YOU.

What was the question? I guess I missed it in the middle of all of the cursing and insults. Let’s be serious here. Steleer76, you basically neutralize ANY possible valid points you might have made by your cursing like a 16 year old that thinks that it’s the coolest thing in the world.

Did we go to the prevent too soon? Yes.
Was the Offense non-existing during the 2nd half? Yes.
Did we celebrate the victory too soon? Maybe.

While Dick’s 2nd half performance is indicative of him going into a preventive/safe defense when having a solid lead; this is generally modus operandi of the NFL. While it disgusts me that we do this, but if you aren’t used to this by now, you might want to quit watching football. Don’t forget it was the patty’s prevent defense that allowed the score to be as close as it was when we were completely blown out of the water in that game and allowed Big Ben to get some 100+ yards of offense in garbage time.

One of the things that make the jests a dangerous team is that they never do the same thing twice. (B.A. could take a lesson from that). Did we REALLY think that Roxy was going to have them just roll over and die at halftime? No. He did what he was supposed to do, adjust the offense and defense and got them fired up for the 2nd half. We failed to do that. We were already celebrating the victory at halftime, consciously or subconsciously.

While it was a painful 2nd half to watch our Defense threaten to give up our 24 point lead, where was the OFFENSE during this rally? Oh yea, non-existent. Steeler76, why not answer the question of “Where was BA during the 2nd half?”

If anyone should go it's Arians. The O was awful the second half... We went 5 wide on third down too many times and never used play-action with any skill even though we we running the ball well.

The D gave up a net of 10 points - that's it! That's pretty damn good in my book. If the O scores a couple of FG and has a couple of decent drives the Defensive strategy would have been fine. Don't blame Dick because the O didn't back up the D.

The upside of the 2nd half is that our defense did hold the jests to only 7 points in the 4th quarter despite the fact that they held on to the ball for nearly 12 consecutive minutes, save for a 1 play interruption, the safety we gave up.

[stillcello Profile]

Oh, and your right; Me being a realist will not help The Steelers in The S.B., just like the lot of you being Dick apologists won't either.......

you are exactly right, but I'm not trying to help I don't claim to know more then NFL professional coaches.... in fact, I'd bet big money they nobody on this site does : )... so we can talk about our opinions on all this stuff and it can be fun to do so, but the difference is that I always work under the assumption that us fans will probably (most of the time if not all the time), not know the real story and all the dynamics over what goes into certain coaching decisions by watching the game on TV.

I think you could argue that he went prevent a bit early yes.... however Ike falling down in coverage saved the Jets a lot of time even if they did end up scoring 7 there.... so you take the TD and then the steelers did give up 7 more points that half, yes... but it took the Jet's forever to score because of the prevent.... If Ben threw a better ball the the left end of the end zone instead of that ugly pick, this is all pretty much moot....

Again, let's list the d coordinators that we'd like to have over LeBeau?.... I mean specifically.... who is better and what proof do you have that they are better?.... then at that point... how to we get them?

I've said before... we could probably list 2 or 3 where perhaps a case could be made, but I don't think you'll find more than that...

Just my opinion ; )

[SteelTank Profile]

Sorry, I was critical of Dick earlier in the year, but they have changed their approach. Dick was too passive and went way too soft too early especially against the Titans. That was the all time low point in my opinion. But if you think we played that soft against the Jets then you are simply wrong.

If you have a 21 point lead and only give up 14 points therafter means you win the game. This was their strategy and it worked.

Having said that, the D was no where close to being as soft as you're making them out to be. They stayed fairly aggressive in the second half, but were also affective at making the Jets chew the clock. It was the Steeler offense that put far too much pressure on the D in making them hold onto that lead and yet they still did.

The offense shit the bed in the second half - not the D. One TD from the O and this isn't even a conversation. Not only did we not get a TD from the O, they gave up 2 points.

[Steelers76 Profile]

I don't mean to be so negative, especially after another AFC Title, but if this Team wants to WIN The SB, you can't ignore this.

What was the question? I guess I missed it in the middle of all of the cursing and insults. Let’s be serious here. Steleer76, you basically neutralize ANY possible valid points you might have made by your cursing like a 16 year old that thinks that it’s the coolest thing in the world.
12 consecutive minutes, save for a 1 play interruption, the safety we gave up.

Don't know if you noticed, but I didn't start "cursing like a 16 year old" until you LeBeau worshippers started it with me, simply because I didn't share your opinion that I think Dick is still The Greatest Defensive Coordinator. You know, the same way you all jump up Mill's ass anytime he doesn't share your apologist view. I suggest you practice what you preach, and save the lectures for someone who actually cares about what people like you think....

[Steelers76 Profile]

I understand the Steelers are going to issue an apology later today for not beating every team this year 48-0 and reaching the Super Bowl for the third time since 2005.

Here's the point.




Here's you missing it.

[kapone Profile]

I understand the Steelers are going to issue an apology later today for not beating every team this year 48-0 and reaching the Super Bowl for the third time since 2005.

Yep, here's how dumbass me grades football games:

If you win...A

If you lose...F (no minus or plus here)

My son who just turned seventeen, I told him, " This is a heck of run you're enjoying right now".

I remember when the Stillers TRULY stunk. Bitch all you want, but understand you're experiencing something special with this team.

[stillcello Profile]

To be clear, I'm not a Lebeau worshipper, but I also don't think that if you call the right schemes and the Steelers will magically give up zero touchdowns or zero points either, regardless of coach. I mean... Mill is complaining becuase the Steeler game up a FG drive at the end of the first half for pete's sake??

"....Dick immediately called off the dogs and went into a Softee Prevent, allowing the rattled, hobbling Sanchez to start the pumpkin carving. 5 yards. 16. 9. 9. Just like that, the Jets booted a 42-yard FG right before halftime and they came off life support, all thanks to The Dullard, Dick LeBeau. "....

I'm sorry, but you give up 3 friggin points in the first half and there is already some belly achin' about LeBeau?? jeez... you might say that some are apologists, but the expectation on this site if that the steelers should not give up much of anything....ever!! I mean, if McFadden, and Ryan Clark, and Taunto Farrior suck so bad, then how can you expect us to never give up points, and how can you blame the coach for all the points we give up? Who is the cause... the players, or the coach? We have weaknesses on defense just like any other... sometimes the schemes make up for it, and sometimes they are the cause of it....

Go around the NFL and ask other coaches and players if they'd trade their defense for ours..... warts and all.... what are we comparing ourselves to?

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The first half was fantastic, but the Jets, by all expert accounts and my own eyes, were playing at a much lower level then when we played them last and when we played them in the 2nd half of this game. So if they actually step up their game in the 2nd half, they will probably do a bit better than in the first half, and that's what happened.

They gave up one touchdown becuase a CB fell.... none of us knows what would have happened if Ike didn't fall... so I judge that drive incomplete...maybe they give up a FG... who knows... .

They give up a long TD drive, yes... ok... one TD drive.... but it took them over 7 minutes to do it, which is part of the design of the prevent....

I fault LeBeau/Tomlin for playing slightly less agressive for *too much* of the 2nd half... but that's it. If it were me, as soon as Tonio scored, and would have tried to be more agressive becuase it's still early in the 3rd quarter......and I agree with the earlier poster in that it did not appear they the stillers were *overly* soft either, but were just not getting pressure (I agree maybe a few more corner blitzes as they worked in the first half)

The *offense* on the other hand, should be judge more harshly for:

---not taking any time off the clock
---not scoring
---not playing well (Ben) with some very bad throws
---botched snaps

I mean all they really needed to do was score 7 points in that half and the defense that was called would have been more appropriate....but I do agree they went a little soft in the defense a bit early

But Ben could have iced the game earlier and totally whiffed on his pick near the EZ... but of course he certainly made up for it with those last two passes in my opinion.

I do agree with Mill that we are going to have to play better to beat the Packers in that I expect them to put up 20-27 points vs. us, etc.

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But again, what coordinator do you want to bring in here and let's analyze his track record with the personnel he is working with... I mean, even the great(?) Belichick could not keep his young defense playing at that high level they were towards the end of the season and the Jets scored 28 on them....and they made some bonehead calls also... .every side of every game, you will see bonehead decisions ..or what appears to be that.... why is that?

Pointing out the Lebeau is overrated is pointless unless you see a viable, achievable alternative that is proven to be a better alternative...

[Steelers76 Profile]

Mill's point about allowing a FG at the end of the half was a valid one. Which would you rather have? a 24 point lead at home at the half, or a 21 point lead with the opposition getting the 2nd half kick? Ever hear of knocking your opponent OUT when you have them down? Apparently not....

[SteelThatDon'tRust Profile]

It'll never happen, but LeBeau needs to go, A.S.A.P. Letting that pedestrian Offense lead by that overrated piece of shit Sanchez back into the game with a 21 POINT HALFTIME LEAD IS FUCKING INEXCUSEABLE!!!!!!! "Let's see, we have them down and out from the defensive pressure. I have A GREAT IDEA! Let's abandon that strategy, and basically go into a prevent defense. Because you see, that worked SO WELL against The Cards in The SB 2 seasons ago." I don't mean to be so negative, especially after another AFC Title, but if this Team wants to WIN The SB, you can't ignore this. If The Steelers lose in 2 weeks, 90% chance it will be because of LeBeau's dumb fuck defensive schemes....GO AWAY!!!!!!!!

Are you serious? Give Rex Ryan and his coaching staff the credit for their second half the credit you refuse to give LeBeau for his first. We won. Stop crying and being so fucking negative. I agree with KR: who the fuck do we replace him with? You? StillMill? Rex Ryan? On to Dallas and I don't want any one figuring out how to fuck Rodgers in the ass other than myself, because I have the requisite experience.

Very cute rewording of my responses StillMill. Should I not bother to post anything any more or just PM you first to get your approval? Ban me or let my posts stand, thanks.

[uknowwho Profile]

"This was an NFL Team with the top ranked D, playing at HOME with a 24-3 lead going into the second half against an Offense that was near the bottom of The NFL"

... The Jets owned the 11th ranked offense this year ... The Steelers 14th. They were definately not near the "bottom of the leauge" ... far from it. And the Packers are not "head and shoulders" better ... The Pack, 9th @ 358 yards/game ... the Jets a mere 2 spots behind @ 351. 7 yards per game difference! I think a lot of guys seem to fear the better passer, and I'm not neccessarily disagreeing with that fact as a Steeler fan, because the strength of our defense against the run versus passing teams ... but the Jets offense was pretty darn good this year, they were obviously VERY good at running the ball ... but clearly, as evidence by their record, a very good football team ... and beat 2 very good teams to get to the title game. Seems some guys do overlook the talent of opposing teams and assume we should dominate all our opponents the entire game. It's just not realistic. I also watch every play of every game, and like a lot of us sicko's, rewind my DVR during games sometimes to see where everyone was, where they were moving, what scheme we were in, and I especially do this at nauseum in viewing the replay on NFL network ... and I thought we continued to apply pressure (though mostly picked up in the 2nd half by the Jets O-line), and continued to have 7 or 8 guys in the box most of the 2nd half. Didn't think we played particularly soft ... The Jets executed, and for the most part, I agree with some of the other guys here, the onus fell on the offense to pick up just a few first downs, and hopefully, score once. Even one score, and this game never gets to be a nail-biter. We allowed them yards, yes ... but we forced them to chew up tons of time on the last few drives, which turned out to be enough, even with our offense sputtering. We weren't 24 points better than the Jets in the 1st half, and they're not 16 points better than us as they showed in the 2nd half. I'd say, based on offensive/defensive rankings, records, talent, coaching, previous matchups, etc ... that we're about 5 points better than the Jets. Period. And amazingly, that's exactly how it ended up! Everyone please lighen up and enjoy the win! We're going to our 3rd Super Bowl in 6 years for Crying Out Loud!!!

[Steelers76 Profile]

That's my point! Do you want to just "go to the SB", or do you want to win it? Also, I find it very hard to believe The Jets were 11th in total offense in The NFL. Let's see; A QB with 17 TD passes to 13 INT and a whopping .75 rating, no RBs' or WRs at/over 1,000 yards, and an Offense that didn't score a TD in at least 3 games this season. Yeah, that's an awesome O. I'd rank them right up there with The 1994 49ers, or The 2007 Pats. Also, if you think Sanchez is on the same level as Rodgers, well I feel sorry for you....

[stillcello Profile]

Mill's point about allowing a FG at the end of the half was a valid one. Which would you rather have? a 24 point lead at home at the half, or a 21 point lead with the opposition getting the 2nd half kick? Ever hear of knocking your opponent OUT when you have them down? Apparently not....

Which would I rather have?? It's not about what I'd rather have, it's about what is realistic to expect!!! Did you really expect we could keep the Jets to -1 rushing the entire game? Did you really expect we could continue to bat down passes all game? Did you really expect that our corner blitzes would continue to work? The Stillers shut the Jets completely down for 29 minutes and they pieced together ONE FG drive in the entire half and people on this site are complaining about it already? I'm sorry, that's just unreasonable in my opinion and many others on and off this site.

OF COURSE I've heard of knocking your opponent out and OF COURSE "I'd rather have" a shutout!!!! The way you phrased your question to me highlights my point exactly... the expectation that we "can have" whatever we want as a team if we just had *better coaches, *better schemes, *smarter players, *better players. If we just did X, Y, or Z, then we could have put the game away.

Did you ever consider the remote possibility that our opponent, who just got to two consecutive AFC champ games and just beat Manning and Brady to do it, might have a little bit of talent, skill, and smarts also? Maybe they made some in game adjustments and WHOA... scored a field goal... oh man, a FG drive... we should complain about LeBeau giving up 3 points in the first half of a champ game!!

Isn't it just remotely possible that Jets are good enough to prevent us from knocking them out? The last time we played them, did we knock them out? Did they just roll over? The first 29 minutes is not the only sample you should take to evaluate the capabilities or the expectation of what the Jets are and are not able to do. We did a lot of things right in that first 29 minutes, but the Jets also were not playing up to their normal standards... well guess what... maybe after 29 minutes they started to play up to those standards..

Watching the tape afterwards, and picking apart what could have been done differently does have some value and I appreciate the work Mill puts into this site and the analysis he gives, but I'm sorry I just don't buy the judgements that are handed down and some of the logic behind some of those judgements.

I have provided some alternative logic in my opinion and can provide more if you are game ; )

Just kidding sorry for all the long posts everyone...