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[Jeemie Profile]

- Creemie, I've fixed the typos. The analysis still stands on its own merit, and the facade of the Great Dick is still exposed.

Actually, it's kind of a rambling, pointless, rant, in which you erect a strawman and then proceed with great glee to knock it down, and then confusingly say LeBeau's a good, competent DC anyway.

Jesus Christ! Then what the fuck are you complaining about?

That's all you really want from a coach anyway.

[StillMill Profile]

(StillGoingWeak)That article is what REAL analysis looks like. Not a 3 page menstruation and chest pounding dribbel that I just read.

Uh, fuckface.....the correct term for that pile of shit article you posted, is "drivel". Not "dribbel". But alas, we already know what a dumbfuk you are.

As for any other dumb MFers around here, to include The Creemster -- Dick is adequate. He is hardly the great lordly deity of defensive football. He's an over-rated, over-hyped, over-worshiped pile of mediocrity.

[jdpdts Profile]

Thanks Mill, you convinced me. The Steelers suck and have no reason to be in the league. They should just forfeit and go on vacation. No need to even play or watch the game. Whew! Glad you wrote that long thought out precise post. That saved me my Saturday afternoon. Geez, what a whine box.

[StillMill Profile]

Thanks Mill, you convinced me. The Steelers suck and have no reason to be in the league. They should just forfeit and go on vacation. No need to even play or watch the game. Whew! Glad you wrote that long thought out precise post. That saved me my Saturday afternoon. Geez, what a whine box.

uh, dumfuck -- I merely stated that the DC, who is LAVISHED with talent and depth, is not the supreme godlike deity that many fans make him out to be.

Now run along, boy. Your mother is probably calling you for supper.

[jdpdts Profile]

Thanks for the clarification Mill. You set me straight with that witty retort. Give this man a hard hat. And the mom calling for me is yours. OOOOOOOHHHHHHHHH!!!!

[stillgoingstrong Profile]

lol, wow you got me there still. Nice analysis of my spelling and grammar. So football isn't the only thing you can "analyze" is it? lol

Oh and I love how you changed my name in the quote box. What ingenious use of wit and deception.

Dude, you totally just made yourself look like an assclown by posting some big huge cry-baby "revenge of the nerds" dissection of a "good and competent DC" and claiming you did so because fan's fawn over him. So you did ALL of that because fans say he is a great DC instead of "a good and competent one" WTF!?? Are you really that jealous of the man, jealous that everyone is fawning over him and not you?? And where are all these posts and fan's that are claiming he is the lord savior cometh? Seems like since he went into the hall you have been like the ex-girlfriend that he never called or something. lol This has got to be one of the most pathetic reads ever from you Mill. Congrats on outdoing yourself.

[Jeemie Profile]

Dick is adequate. He is hardly the great lordly deity of defensive football. He's an over-rated, over-hyped, over-worshiped pile of mediocrity.

So this equals "Dick is a good, competent, DC"?

You are so much better than this, but for some reason, you latch onto somebody on the Steelers (Gildong, Porter, Farrior, Woodley, now LeBeau), and then make it personal.

Then your "analysis" completely goes to shit.

Lebeau invented a new defense. It was extremely effective for years. His defense finishes in the top five in defense almost every year- this year, it was #2, with the #1 scoring defense. This, despite having no good DBs except for Troy, and to a lesser extent, Ike.

For that alone, he deserves the accolades he gets (as opposed to this "blind worship" that, as far as I can tell, exists only in your mind. The media hypes- that's what they do. Intelligent people without a personal grudge realize that).

He is CERTAINLY a cut above guys like Romeo Crennell and Sean McDermott, and if, as another poster suggested, you compared LeBeau to his peers, rather to some outrageous gold standard of perfection that you have set up in your mind, would become readily apparent.

Does he have his faults and weaknesses? Sure he does...every person does. I get on him more than anything.

However, objective thinkers, who don't compare him to a standard that doesn't exist in reality, understand he's one of the best in the game...warts and all.

[KreidersRage Profile]

If you guys want to know the true inspiration for Mill's hatred with otherwise popular coaches and players, just compare the traffic of this thread to threads on other topics.

There's your answer.

He's the Stiller.com version of Skip Bayless. He purposely goes against popular opinion for the soul purpose of stirring debate and getting people to read.

Well, except that he took it too far and ended up pushing the majority of the reader-base to another site.

But you get the point.

[zapunto Profile]

I'm not here to say whether or not Dick is a good defensive coordinator or not. But it is obvious: the media lauds over him because he is a great defensive INNOVATOR. Just because you're a great defensive INNOVATOR does not necessarily make you a great defensive COACH. Dick has a system, and sticks with it. It is a good system. He relies on a band of superb read-and-react athletes to execute the system. When his defensive stars are replaced full-time by average athletes such as Tyrone Carter and William Gay (the jury is out on Ryan Mundy), the system suffers. He rarely adapts or thinks outside his system to outcoach the unorthdox. Superior opponents that have seen our system know how to exploit it. It's that simple.

-c-

[StillMill Profile]

I'm not here to say whether or not Dick is a good defensive coordinator or not. But it is obvious: the media lauds over him because he is a great defensive INNOVATOR. Just because you're a great defensive INNOVATOR does not necessarily make you a great defensive COACH. Dick has a system, and sticks with it. It is a good system. He relies on a band of superb read-and-react athletes to execute the system. When his defensive stars are replaced full-time by average athletes such as Tyrone Carter and William Gay (the jury is out on Ryan Mundy), the system suffers. He rarely adapts or thinks outside his system to outcoach the unorthdox. Superior opponents that have seen our system know how to exploit it. It's that simple.

-c-

Superbly well stated, Zapunto....and a refreshing breath of fresh, intelligent air after the 4 gas-spewing blowhards that preceeded your post.

Any defense, if allowed to remain STATIC, can and will be exploited. It's a CHESS MATCH, and it's up to the Def. Coord to ADJUST and make the next move.

Good work, Z. Shoot me an email....we have some work here for ya. Thanks.

[clarioncall Profile]

"Z", very well said.
Said earlier, I have "ZERO" faith in Staff's ability to make real-time game on adjustments, either a half-time or "on the fly".
Arians has "NO FREAKING CLUE" how to slow an opposing aggressive pass rush - other than Ben's legs.
I love LeBeau for what he's brought to our team reputation and how his players feel about him, BUT - how many games did we lose in 4th qtr last yr due
to same-old/same-old tired defenses that were beaten by "copied" ofensive plans.
This is a copycat league as we hear all too often. Once teams see how to do it, (beat us), they figure it out with the players THEY have.
This then exposes the weaknesses in our players - hence, Clark getting tooled deep, B Mac getting beat on quick outs, etc.

Has Dick NOT LEARNED or SEEN anything on game tapes how our blizters attack a blocker and stick to them? the term "Velcro Blitz" comes to mind.
How many times? Yet ealier in yr we all saw what a beast Timmons was when he was allowed to run free when a gap was created.

If he is a spy on Flacco, and hits him and knocks him around, we win. I am not sure at this point this is even a consideration.
I think, as patient as their offense is, we will be susceptible to long drives and a tired "D".
(Goes back to Ass Arians now and ADJUSTING his moronic play calling to keep our D off the field and mixing it up to slow down their D.
I am telling you he does NOT KNOW HOW TO DO THIS - Screens, flares, underneath routes, getting Miller in early, using a DAMN FULLBACK TO LEAD MENDY ?????
Hello?? KC did pretty well until turnovers put them behind.

[FineLine Profile]

Mill lauds the talent on defense,listing Hampton Farrior and Woodley.The same guys he rips every week.And the people who worship and idolize Dick the most are his players.That's. Good enough for me,just like having a top rated defense year after year and 2 Super. Bowls.I guess when the defense excels it' the players and when they don't LeBeau. "allows" it

[stillgoingstrong Profile]

How about that mediocre, old fart, fossil, average, so-so, over hyped, etc.. etc.. etc... Coordinator limiting the Ravens to a 126 TOTAL net yards. Yep, he sure deserves no credit at all. How's that crow tasting Mill? Need some salt and pepper?

[steelandblood Profile]

How about that mediocre, old fart, fossil, average, so-so, over hyped, etc.. etc.. etc... Coordinator limiting the Ravens to a 126 TOTAL net yards. Yep, he sure deserves no credit at all. How's that crow tasting Mill? Need some salt and pepper?

LeBeau's D kept the clamps on this time the entire game this time. When our defense is shredded it's most often when he mushrushes only three or four. Sending one extra guy with our three defensive linemen isn't even really true pressure in a 3-4. I give credit to LeBeau for his accomplishments, like calling schemes that go to rip out the opponent's heart every play--and I also fault him for his ridgid thinking and "old coach" sense of infallibility as he sticks to his guns even when the situation on the field mandates he should think outside his own box. Other innovators, including the fathers of modern defense Buddy Ryan and Bud Carson didn't look so brilliant when they didn't have the personnel to excel in their schemes.

[Steel Holiday Profile]

I give credit to LeBeau for his accomplishments, like calling schemes that go to rip out the opponent's heart every play--and I also fault him for his ridgid thinking and "old coach" sense of infallibility as he sticks to his guns even when the situation on the field mandates he should think outside his own box.

There's a fine line between being rigid and traditional, and having the ability to adapt and evolve when it comes to success. Sports figures face the challenges of not only walking that line, but the criticism of what the masses take is at any given point during the journey. There is always people out there who want things done a different way, a better way, no matter how much a person has accomplished. Contemporary thinking can lead to the loss of ones identity in some cases. The challenge is to figure out what truly makes an athlete/coach more dynamic and what pitfalls lead them to becoming something they are not. Losses and disappointments are tough enough to deal with on their own, and I'm sure they become all the more painful when somebody realizes the shortcomings were because they were out of character.

Dick Lebeau is an example of what it looks like to be a winner for staying the course. That pattern has allowed him to examine his areas that lack substance, and to account for them accordingly. This doesn't mean the man is perfect, and it doesn't mean he will make par every time. It does give him a solid foundation, though, and it keeps distractions limited...ready for this. People who spend time trying to become more than what they are often end up missing out on the joy of being what they can because they are always trying to get away from who they weren't.

Other innovators, including the fathers of modern defense Buddy Ryan and Bud Carson didn't look so brilliant when they didn't have the personnel to excel in their schemes.

Having players never hurt. There is no substitute for the right tool.