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[StillDodger Profile]

I still think this team is cheating....... Never in my life have I seen an NFL offense avoid negative plays, and always seems to have the right play for the opposing defense....... I mean, there's nobody on this team, aside from the OL, that I otherwise think is exceptional.

Carson Palmer would play like a HOF'er on that offense. I'm getting sick of Ron Jaworski talking about Brady being exceptional....... Can you imagine Ben on this offense??

I mean, I watched the Saints offense against the Bengals, and even that offense had a harder time with a far worse defense.........

And no team keeps passing with a huge lead, unless they know what the opposing "D" is going to do.

[Pump-N-Iron Profile]

In all of the media hoopla regarding the video taping, one small fact was mostly overlooked. The league permits each team to have one set of headsets to communicate. Each team is given a specific frequency. The Partriots were found to have a separate set of headsets that could be used on a different frequency.

You don't think that maybe they were listening to the other sideline?

[StillDodger Profile]

It's like the Patriots are up 45-3 with under five minutes to play, and the team still uses Brady and still runs pass plays........ I don't ever recall any other NFL team IN HISTORY using its starting QB or running pass plays in such blatant garbage situation. It's as if either the coaching staff is so confident that Brady's not going to get hurt or something shady is going on between the Patriots organization and the Fantasy League...........

[FineLine Profile]

Looks like the road to Dallas goes thru NE.I don't see anyone beating them.Say what you want about him but Belichick is on his way to being the best coach in NFL history.He's totally retooled a young defense that will get better.He trades older guys(does it look like they miss Moss and Seymour?)for draft picks.And speaking of the draft he's stockpiled 7 picks in the first 4 rounds in 2011.

[SojuMaster Profile]

I am not one to cry cheating by the patroits, BUT once a cheater always a cheater. I find it tough to believe that they are NOT cheating. They have now won 15 straight regular season home games, which BTW, the STEELERS were the last team to beat them at home on November 30th 2008 to the tune of 33-10. On their current 15-0 streak at home, they are 7-8 on the road. Last year they were 2-6 on the road. Why such a HUGE difference between the home and away records?
Its a whole lot easier to run illegal taping of your opposition's walk-throughs when they are at on your own stadium or even easier to tap into their frequencies. I hope that some other teams are noticing this trend and start running some counter-survallence or change up the signaling.

[bigjoespompano Profile]

For your consideration.... When Robert Kraft built his new football stadium he and the NFL BUILT an actual Television broadcast studio facility WITHIN the walls pf the new building. It was for CBS exclusively. As anyone can guess, building any sort of television/radio broadcast facility requires an amazing amount of 'engineering'. I'm not suggesting anything illegal but I am saying that while the walls are down and the structure is 'exposed' that it would be rather easy (from a technical point) to 'add' additional 'technical items' NOT shown on any blueprint...I'm just saying....

[StillDodger Profile]

For your consideration.... When Robert Kraft built his new football stadium he and the NFL BUILT an actual Television broadcast studio facility WITHIN the walls pf the new building. It was for CBS exclusively. As anyone can guess, building any sort of television/radio broadcast facility requires an amazing amount of 'engineering'. I'm not suggesting anything illegal but I am saying that while the walls are down and the structure is 'exposed' that it would be rather easy (from a technical point) to 'add' additional 'technical items' NOT shown on any blueprint...I'm just saying....

The problem is they play this way on the road too.........

I mean, how does a team absolutely dominate the Steelers and Jets, yet look so discombobulated against a team like the Browns? My speculation is they thought they could beat Cleveland without the need to cheat..........

[clarioncall Profile]

It sure seems "suspicious" that they can dismantle good teams at home pretty easily with such a young team.
Defense is very inexperienced also. Just doesn't seem logical.

I made the point awhile ago about their accumulation of draft picks. They'll trade some of these for the future as well during draft days. Check out how many picks they have in upcoming years. They'll be around for a while.

[SteelThatDon'tRust Profile]

Or NE has just gotten really, really good and the Jets are not so much. After all, look at the teams the Jets have barely beaten. And after the Bengals and Saints games, I daresay many of us were not shocked by the Steeler loss to NE (not shocked does not = not enraged ). We SHOULD have and DESERVED to lose to Buffalo. In any case, I for one relish an AFC championship rematch in Foxboro. I'd like to see our defense pummel the might Brady offense into submission. I don't see Dick—despite Still Mill's and others' at least partially justified rage at LeBeau's play calling—getting tooled so badly twice. And I suspect we would not be out muscled and pushed around again.

[SojuMaster Profile]

The problem is they play this way on the road too.........

I mean, how does a team absolutely dominate the Steelers and Jets, yet look so discombobulated against a team like the Browns? My speculation is they thought they could beat Cleveland without the need to cheat..........

As I state earlier, during their current 15-0 home run, they are 7-8 on the road. They do not play the same on the road. The victory over the STEELERS was the exception to the rule.

[IronCity__Man Profile]

They do not play the same on the road. The victory over the STEELERS was the exception to the rule.

I would say a victory for New England in Pittsburgh IS the rule.

[Pommah Profile]

The problem with a Patriots-cheat-at-home conspiracy theory is, last year - they lost their last home game. In the playoffs. Against a team they had already beat in the regular season. If you were going to cheat, why would you lose your home playoff game?

A better explanation is the Patriots prepare better than the competition. You can be a Rex Ryan and rely on motivation and play movies of Vince Lombardi for your millionaire players or you can work your ass off on things that matter. All those rookies on the Pats D are playing better than our veterans who have mastered Dick's complicated defensive schemes. Other teams rely on their money players making big plays. The Pats rely on execution and teamwork and not making mistakes.

[JimPgh1 Profile]

Oh stop the whining. The Pats are just damn good as long as Brady is healthy. He's very tough to defend against. Blitz him and he'll get rid of it quickly to the open receiver. Rush 3 or 4 and he'll sit back there until he finds somebody open.

Having said that, the friggin' Browns beat them a few weeks ago. We POSSIBLY could by scoring a bunch and/or getting a couple of breaks on turnovers.

[r1stillerman Profile]

I hate the Pats but they are the best team in the NFL right now. Brady is the best QB. They prepare better than any other team. When they get a lead they keep it going unlike the Steelers who go to conservative football if they get a 3 point lead. The Pats never stop scoring. When they meet a team they beat the shit out of again that team has less confidence and is more likely to lose again because of that reason. The Steelers should take a lesson.

[steelwest Profile]

Outside of cheating (which I will not comment on and am not suggesting), the issues with Pats-Steelers and Pats-Jets is a lack of a defensive scheme that will bother Brady. The Jets have been relying on mock pressure in many games -- but Brady gets the ball out and something has generally been wrong with the Jets D the last several games. Hence, the mock pressure was not obviously going to work which led me to wonder BEFORE the game if the Jets could stop NE. Answer: no. The Steelers have a similar problem. Rodney Harrison brought it up pre-game on TV. To beat NE, you need to play tough man-to-man and pressure the receivers. That ain't what we do -- we play zone. Brady loves zone. He can throw to wide open guys all night. This is like playing a soft zone in hoop against a good 3 point shooter. You have no chance if he is hitting his shots.

We need a team like the Ravens who play tough man defense to beat the Pats. Otherwise, we need a team to outscore them like 38-35.

[SojuMaster Profile]

The problem with a Patriots-cheat-at-home conspiracy theory is, last year - they lost their last home game. In the playoffs. Against a team they had already beat in the regular season. If you were going to cheat, why would you lose your home playoff game?

A better explanation is the Patriots prepare better than the competition. You can be a Rex Ryan and rely on motivation and play movies of Vince Lombardi for your millionaire players or you can work your ass off on things that matter. All those rookies on the Pats D are playing better than our veterans who have mastered Dick's complicated defensive schemes. Other teams rely on their money players making big plays. The Pats rely on execution and teamwork and not making mistakes.

Cheating does not mean 100% success in the win column, having Tom Brady throw 2 interceptions and fumbling in the 1st quarter, all deep in their own territory, coupled with the ravens returning the first kickoff back for a TD and a 24-0 lead after 1 quarter of play, does not exactly help the team at all. Hell, the pats could have had a full copy of the ravens playbook at that point and that would not have helped at that point.

(Again I am not saying they ARE cheating) but to have a huge difference of being 15-0 at home and 7-8 on the road is just suspect. If they are just simply better at preparing for the game, why would they be sub-.500 on the road in the last 15 road games and perfect at home?

Another interesting stat, and I would have to start running the numbers with other teams to see how it falls in line, but at Home the pats are: Points For-500 and Points Against-233 and on the Road it is PF-439 and PA-375. Their defense gives up 61% more points on the road then at home while their offense only suffers a 12% drop in productivity. Without running the numbers on other teams, my initial suspect is that the pats are getting some extra-special home advantage when preparing their defense. I will run the numbers with other play-off caliber teams and see what happens there.

[Pommah Profile]

Last season was last season.

This year the Patriots are 6-0 at home and 4-2 on the road. That's just not worthy of any concern.

Last year there was a big difference between W-L at home and on the road, but most of their games were won or lost by a few points, and the old adage that home field is worth 7 points is proven.

There would be too much at stake to be caught cheating a 2nd time.

Look at the line Brady has in front of him. Matt Light and Logan Mankins on his blind side, two pro bowlers. Everybody else is solid. Compare that to who we have. Okay their defense is a bunch of no names save maybe Mayo and Wilfork, but Belichick is acknowledged as a defense guy, and they aren't even bothering having a defensive coordinator position this year. Their defense is having their offense not leave the field.

Oh yeah, and they have Tom Brady.

That's why they are winning.

[LambertoCincoOcho Profile]

Well, the Jets lost the QB of their defense to a broken leg in practice on Friday. Given that piece of info I think the Patriots were able to exploit Ryan's defense. They come out with a lot of shifts and motions with their small, quick wideouts to create confusion and run them out of the gym. It was a revenge game too. Give Ryan credit he didn't make any excuses. I thinks the Pats will win it all this year. Looks like they will get HF advantage throughout.

[mgcolby Profile]

I still think this team is cheating....... Never in my life have I seen an NFL offense avoid negative plays, and always seems to have the right play for the opposing defense....... I mean, there's nobody on this team, aside from the OL, that I otherwise think is exceptional.

Carson Palmer would play like a HOF'er on that offense. I'm getting sick of Ron Jaworski talking about Brady being exceptional....... Can you imagine Ben on this offense??

I mean, I watched the Saints offense against the Bengals, and even that offense had a harder time with a far worse defense.........

And no team keeps passing with a huge lead, unless they know what the opposing "D" is going to do.

Pardon me for interrupting your circle jerk. But your ex-coach admitted to putting a guy in the stands to chart the opposing team's signals with down, distance and time. Then going back and synching it up with the game tape to try and decipher the signals.

But don't take my word for it listen for yourself....

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2010/12/03/f ... iots-jets/

Those who live in glass houses....

Now carry on....

2005*

[SojuMaster Profile]

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I still think this team is cheating....... Never in my life have I seen an NFL offense avoid negative plays, and always seems to have the right play for the opposing defense....... I mean, there's nobody on this team, aside from the OL, that I otherwise think is exceptional.

Carson Palmer would play like a HOF'er on that offense. I'm getting sick of Ron Jaworski talking about Brady being exceptional....... Can you imagine Ben on this offense??

I mean, I watched the Saints offense against the Bengals, and even that offense had a harder time with a far worse defense.........

And no team keeps passing with a huge lead, unless they know what the opposing "D" is going to do.

Pardon me for interrupting your circle jerk. But your ex-coach admitted to putting a guy in the stands to chart the opposing team's signals with down, distance and time. Then going back and synching it up with the game tape to try and decipher the signals.

But don't take my word for it listen for yourself....

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2010/12/03/f ... iots-jets/

Those who live in glass houses....

Now carry on....

2005*

Your grasping at straws also your logic and comprehension skills are an Epic Fail.

Bill does not mention anything illegal.
He mentioned LEGAL practices. What new england was doing was illegal by straight out videotaping the signals. Your assumptions fail the most basic common sense test. Why would he mention that he was cheating when he still has so much to lose (i.e. his broadcasting job and his reputation)?
Oh BTW, if Bill Cowher was admitting to cheating, do you think the headline on the boston-based website would only have said "Felger & Mazz: Cowher On ‘Spygate II’ & Patriots-Jets"??
I think if Bill had actually admitted to cheating the headline would have read "Felger & Mazz: Cowher admits to cheating as Steelers Coach"

So now carry on ...