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[StillMill Profile]

Colbert Humps the Dog with 3-year deal of Fat Hampton has been posted by Still Mill at Stillers.com.

[DirtDawson Profile]

I mean on this topic even though we disagree, i see the valid concerns with Hampton.

If anything, 3 years is atleast short enough to pick up and develop a new prospect.


I think the extension on Farrior's contract was the biggest blunder Colbert's made.




They should have put a weight clause on his contract.

[palko<3 Profile]

Agree with DirtDawson. I don't love the deal but it buys time to bring another guy up.


I don't get the fatass thing either. Hampton is looking ripped here.

<-- That's a sexy man.

<-- fatass.

[stillgrill Profile]

Definitely agree w/ you on this one, Mill. Steed was actually only 30 yrs old when he signed in '99, whereas the Big Jack (as in "I ain't working hard for jack") is a curmudgeonly 33.

Stick the tag on his fat ass & wait to see who's available at pick 18 in April.

Now that they've saddled themselves w/ Hampton, hopefully they can rid themselves of Clark & instead pick one of 3 possible Safety studs or 2 CB studs they'll definitely have a shot at. I know they're rated high but Haden or Earl Thomas would make the Stillers forget late-hit, no-hands Clark real fast.

[mikeyg Profile]

I would like to see the details of the contract - is there a weight clause, for example?

This is a desperate move by a desperate team with no backfill for the fat lard - so the problem was the past 2-3 years and not grooming a replacement.

that said, we are only 'on the hook' for $6.5M plus his annual salaries - i am curious how all of that is structured. After 2 years, we may just say bye bye at that point, and not cost us $22M

does that make sense?

[KreidersRage Profile]

I don't understand how anyone can be critical of any salary numbers when no one how any clue how what the hell they mean right now, with regards to team structure.

As of now, the entire league is assuming there won't be a cap next year. The subsequent years after that is literally anyone's guess.

So how is it possible to overpay when we have no frame of reference for players' value in an uncapped format? If we paid him a few million over what his traditional worth might be, who the Hell cares? What damage will it do if there's no cap to butt up against?

A cap will almost assuredly go back in place once the CBA gets figured out, but I doubt they're going to put that cap level a place that's going to screw most of the teams in the league. If they decide to instantiate a substantially lower cap than what was in place last year, they're going to structure it so that it goes down to that level gradually. By that point, Casey's contract will be well off the books.

I see absolutely nothing wrong with bringing him back for a year or two while we groom a replacement, then allowing him to go on his way. He's not as dominant as he once was, that's true. But he can still provide value for this team, even if that value is just keeping a spot warm for the next DL we bring along.

If we were to let him go, then what would we have left? Colbert did what he needed to do. He signed his own guy who's already familiar with the system and can contribute, while he continues to look for the eventual replacement. Had we drafted a rookie with the intent of starting him, or brought in a free agent, we'd be gambling with a very important position in our defense.

[ashpitt08 Profile]

Ziggy Hood anybody?

[KreidersRage Profile]

Ziggy Hood anybody?

Ziggy's currently listed as DE. I don't know that he'd be strong enough at the point of attack to be an effective 3-4 nose guard. Maybe I'm wrong. But my point in my past post is exactly that...we don't really know. With Casey, we know exactly what we're getting, and there just isn't much of a gamble of a signing him for 3 years without a cap structure.

[No l Gravity l Profile]

Ziggy Hood isn't a DE, he's a DT. Even though we play a 3-4, practically the only time he's out there is when we have 4 lineman rushing on 3rd down. Probably why we sucked hard cock trying to get off the field.

Ziggy Hood is the most worthless 1st round pick we've had in ages.

[IronCity__Man Profile]

So is everyone here suggesting we should go into next season with Chris Hoke and no body else on the depth chart or pay 2010 NFL prices for a player still considered top 5 (albeit 5th) at his postion. Or lets wait for that 2nd or 3rd round pick at NT that doesn't pan out.

I know I will get an arguement over that ranking and maybe someone can point out to me a list of pure NTs available and that are better than Hampton, Wilfork, Jenkins, that cat from San Diego, and White (Cleve). Starters make a lot of money in the NFL. It is not 1989 or even 2002 for that matter. Not the best decision of all time but not the worst-earth destroying move by the Steelers.

Steelers have too many missing links right now to be losing starters and remain competitive next year. We need to concentrate a #1 pick on too many positions. Its about winning next year.

[IronCity__Man Profile]

and by the way - Chris Hoke is a year older than Hampton. And every NFL nose tackle gets winded. Thats what happens to 325+ players. Every watch White play? He may be the 2nd best and spends more time kneeling on the sideline than Hampton.

[KreidersRage Profile]

Ziggy Hood isn't a DE, he's a DT. Even though we play a 3-4, practically the only time he's out there is when we have 4 lineman rushing on 3rd down. Probably why we sucked hard cock trying to get off the field.

Ziggy Hood is the most worthless 1st round pick we've had in ages.

The official team roster has him listed as a DE. I doubt they'd give him that designation if they intended him to be a nose guard.

I agree with what you're saying in that he more often plays the DT role in passing downs than he does DE, I just wanted to clarify in case anyone thought he was an actual DT, and thus, a nose guard possibility.

[KreidersRage Profile]

So is everyone here suggesting we should go into next season with Chris Hoke and no body else on the depth chart or pay 2010 NFL prices for a player still considered top 5 (albeit 5th) at his postion. Or lets wait for that 2nd or 3rd round pick at NT that doesn't pan out.

I know I will get an arguement over that ranking and maybe someone can point out to me a list of pure NTs available and that are better than Hampton, Wilfork, Jenkins, that cat from San Diego, and White (Cleve). Starters make a lot of money in the NFL. It is not 1989 or even 2002 for that matter. Not the best decision of all time but not the worst-earth destroying move by the Steelers.

Steelers have too many missing links right now to be losing starters and remain competitive next year. We need to concentrate a #1 pick on too many positions. Its about winning next year.

That's been my point. Everyone wants to cry and moan that we paid someone who's losing a step a or two, but they refuse to look at the bigger picture. I used to have the same argument about Cowher. Cowher was far from perfect, I wasn't crazy about it, but it wasn't like there's a secret treasure trove of head coaches just waiting to be tapped either.

It's so easy to rant and rave about how much you hate a single player. It's much harder to actually present a plausible solution. Way too many people are quick to do the former, and completely forget about the latter.

[NiagaraBalls Profile]

I don't know if anyone else remembers an article from several years ago detailing who should be kept, cut, etc. Chris Hoke was the whipping boy of the day and the author was going on about how "Hoke is a joke!" and not to sign him under any circumstances. Now he's fine as a starter on the position that's the fulcrum of the 3-4?

[mckeesrockstheburg Profile]

I'm betting Colbert's IRA's are loaded with Oxygen stocks and "manssier" makers (for all us Seinfield freaks).

I don't like this. Too many old guys signed for too long for too much money. Do rocking chairs and oatmeal come with these signings?

We need youth and we need help. This keeps up, we'll need wheelbarrows to get players off the field.
Farrior, Clark, Gay, and "Big (as a) Safe" are the ones I had pegged for replacement with my trigger finger ever ready to pull the cord on Ike. Gosh, alot of money for this guy. Best to go out and buy Twinkie and some Spandex stock now. Maybe they know there will be a 'shut-down DB" available at 18 and that's where they're headed?

I, too, hope they put some "dimensional clauses" into his package. Like, both cheeks have to be able to be in the same time-zone at all times. He must be able to ride "inside" elevators, not on top. He can't use a comma in his jersey number. He can be FROM Texas, BUT, (and that's a BIG butt!) , he is forbidden to BE Texas. You know, those kind of clauses.

[KreidersRage Profile]

I don't know if anyone else remembers an article from several years ago detailing who should be kept, cut, etc. Chris Hoke was the whipping boy of the day and the author was going on about how "Hoke is a joke!" and not to sign him under any circumstances. Now he's fine as a starter on the position that's the fulcrum of the 3-4?

That's how the StillMill operates. He gets some completely mundane and trivial prediction right, and jumps around, pounding his chest like a gorilla on crack.

If he's wrong, he just pretends that was his stance all along.

And yet, one of Mill's biggest criticisms of Cowher was that Cowher spent too much time tooting his own horn and deflecting blame, instead of admitting his own mistakes.

I always found that hilarious.

[IronCity__Man Profile]

I don't like this. Too many old guys signed for too long for too much money. Do rocking chairs and oatmeal come with these signings?

We need youth and we need help. This keeps up, we'll need wheelbarrows to get players off the field.

The problem is we are not hitting on all cylinders in the youth movement. our #1 picks have been fabulous and important to our winning but our later picks rarely pan out (except Woodley) or are pushed into service as medicore players (ala Colon). Until we really back up our starters we are stuck with them.

I still think Ziggy will pan out, or at least I am still hoping for that.

[cucumber Profile]

According to Ken Laird on Stillers 365, Hampton's Bonus is only 6.5 million, that with 1 or 2 million base salary is hardly more than the frachise tag....................and the deal gives the team another two years to find and groom a replacement....sounds smart to me.

[mckeesrockstheburg Profile]

I do agree with you, IronCity_man. Part of the issue is we DON'T know if these youngsters (Lewis, Tank, Burnett, etc.) can play because for some reason we aren't allowed to play them in their rookie years. Then, after 3-yrs, we find out they can't play (aka: Gay?, Cloclough? Smith?, et al., ) after we've invested in them and passed over others in the next year's draft. Surely we can find 2 or 3 series per game to get these guys some PT. It would show up pretty quickly if they can be players. I mean, there are SOME teams that exploit this type of inexperience. Good testing to see if they can hold up. Manning, Warner, Farve and Brady (remember him torching Anthony Smith?) are the best at it because their OC's have a clue and look for these mismatches.

We SUCK at it (exploiting a weakness) because Arians thinks it's unfair. He has no clue. A "mismatch" to him is a Primanti's sandwich with a diet coke. Diet coke? Whaddaya think I am? I want the regular fattening stuff.

[Pump-N-Iron Profile]

While I agree that 1) the contract is too big, and 2) Fat Casey is in a steep downward arc, the fact of the matter is that the FO knows they can squeeze 1, maybe 2 more years out of Hampton. NFL contracts are bloated beyond belief these days to appease the precious egos of the players and the agents. The press publicizes the big number, the agent looks good, and the player is satiated. However, the FO knows that they only guaranteed $11 million of this deal. Spread over 3 years, it comes out to $3.67 million per season. So if the Fatass blows a wheel and is forced out of football, they only really have a modest amount of dead money to deal with. This also gives them 1-2 seasons to groom a replacement. Don't be shocked to see a NT taken in rounds 1-3. This contract almost guarantees that his eventual replacement will be in camp in August.

I think the real goat-fucking occurred when Colbert franchised his weak-legged kicker. I laughed my ass off at the Bungles last year when they franchised a kicker, now, I have to deal with 4-5 more years of this homo. Reed should just kick everything OOB. The difference in starting field position would be +/- 3 yards, and it guarantees no return for an easy TD.