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[PGHeaven Profile]

Correlation causation what the fuck ever. The Steelers have injured players and adversity just like any other team in the NFL. The Colts are fucking decimated with injuries. What is the diffrence?

HUNGER! Danny Boy RUINED everyones appetite!

NOW DO YOU GET IT? hint - quit with your causation correlation bullshit

Prove it.

Other than that, it's simply your opinion.

Yes, I agree that it is my opinion. "prove it" is a straw man's (read libertard) defense. Other than constructing an alternate universe with a parallel timeline there IS NO way of "proving it".

Matter of fact, NOTHING promulgated or hypothesized can be "proved" rendering this message board 100 percent futile if looking for mathematical assurance

That is why this board is - to a great extent - the repository of emotion

Here is my emotion - Fuck You Rooney!

[Jeemie Profile]

Correlation causation what the fuck ever. The Steelers have injured players and adversity just like any other team in the NFL. The Colts are fucking decimated with injuries. What is the diffrence?

HUNGER! Danny Boy RUINED everyones appetite!

NOW DO YOU GET IT? hint - quit with your causation correlation bullshit

Actually, Danny Boy ruining the appetite to win would be a genuine cause. What we're asking for is a demonstration that proves he did in fact do this. We're making a distinction between correlation and causation because a correlation means you're just assuming shit. Providing an demonstration of the cause would mean you're actually making your case and then we'd have to agree with you whether we want to or not. So, how can WE prove or demonstrate that Rooney moving off to Ireland ruined the appetite to win, especially if Arty is the man in charge for some time now?

This is all simply a case at trying to find a simplistic answer to a complex issue.

Made more palatable by the fact that the "simplistic answer" is in line with the political/philosophical worldview of the person positing the "answer".

PG was so pissed at Rooney thanking Obama on the podium that he's probably been searching for a way to "blame that moment" for something regarding the Steelers almost since it happened.

Other, more rational people can realize that what Rooney did was inappropriate, but then leave it at that.

[Jeemie Profile]

Here is my emotion - Fuck You Rooney!

I ask again why you are misplacing your anger.

If you truly believe this is what happened, why are you not more angry at the coaches and players who decided to pack it in simply because their octogenarian owner decided to do something different with his life rather than breathe, eat, drink, and sleep football?

Would you be this angry at Dan Rooney had he simply retired, and the same things happened?

[SteelThatDon'tRust Profile]

Yes, I agree that it is my opinion. "prove it" is a straw man's (read libertard) defense. Other than constructing an alternate universe with a parallel timeline there IS NO way of "proving it".

Didn't you just lambast me for using the term conservaterd? Any way, if there is no way to prove what you're saying, then why do you insist on clinging to an opinion that might be wrong? Also, you're misusing the term straw man. Straw manning someone is disproving a position your opponent doesn't actually hold or propose and then assuming you've shown his argument isn't valid.

Now, we're not asking for mathematical certainty, i.e., deductions from given principles. As you say, and rightly so, that would be stupid. What is the empirical proof that all this is Rooney's fault? For instance, let's say my conclusion is that our secondary is seriously tea bagging. For evidence I would submit: poor tackling, poor coverage, inability to catch easy interceptions. Then as a cause I could submit, for instance, Clark pretends like he doesn't have arms when he tackles and prefers to let his helmet do the work.

[PGHeaven Profile]

Yes, I agree that it is my opinion. "prove it" is a straw man's (read libertard) defense. Other than constructing an alternate universe with a parallel timeline there IS NO way of "proving it".

Didn't you just lambast me for using the term conservaterd? Any way, if there is no way to prove what you're saying, then why do you insist on clinging to an opinion that might be wrong? Also, you're misusing the term straw man. Straw manning someone is disproving a position your opponent doesn't actually hold or propose and then assuming you've shown his argument isn't valid.

Now, we're not asking for mathematical certainty, i.e., deductions from given principles. As you say, and rightly so, that would be stupid. What is the empirical proof that all this is Rooney's fault?

No I did not lambast you for using conserveterd, I lambasted you for crying about libertard while using conserveterd. In other words for being so cliche and predictably hypocritical, both libertard traits by the way

Hey Jeemie, instaed of dissecting your homsexual bullshit I will jjst say

blow me punk

[SteelThatDon'tRust Profile]

Yes, I agree that it is my opinion. "prove it" is a straw man's (read libertard) defense. Other than constructing an alternate universe with a parallel timeline there IS NO way of "proving it".

Didn't you just lambast me for using the term conservaterd? Any way, if there is no way to prove what you're saying, then why do you insist on clinging to an opinion that might be wrong? Also, you're misusing the term straw man. Straw manning someone is disproving a position your opponent doesn't actually hold or propose and then assuming you've shown his argument isn't valid.

Now, we're not asking for mathematical certainty, i.e., deductions from given principles. As you say, and rightly so, that would be stupid. What is the empirical proof that all this is Rooney's fault?

No I did not lambast you for using conserveterd, I lambasted you for crying about libertard while using conserveterd. In other words for being so cliche and predictably hypocritical, both libertard traits by the way

Hey Jeemie, instaed of dissecting your homsexual bullshit I will jjst say

blow me punk

And, folks, that does it. Instead of trying to prove his point we have now reverted to asking for falacio and fag bashing—which by the way, is a form of straw manning.

[PGHeaven Profile]

As everyone reading this thread can discern. The local libertards are enraged that I have brought Danny Boy Rooney - the Obama ass smoocher - to task for his humiliating Obama ass licking on the Super Bowl podium

Since that grotesque display of affection there has been a super bowl hangover of epic proportion. The Steelers have lost their hunger (except for cheeseburgers) and desire and Momlin has possibly lost the ear of most players as they dream of hot tubs and golf courses instead of studying film and practicing technique

The ensuing Lassez Fairre attitude is best exemplified by the palatial living arrangement being enjoyed by Danny Boy Rooney - whose absence - by the way - is NOT the cause of our decline - but rather just another example of "to the victor gos the spoils" type of behavior that is endemic at the Steelers organiztion in 2009

So while we endure the menstruations of the local libertards, we watch with the hope that a new attitude prevails. A hard hat mentality. A take no prisoners mentality. Instead of the gruesome tedious liberal pissant philosophy that threatens to emasculate our cherished Steelers.

[SteelThatDon'tRust Profile]

But I too wish for a hard as nails, kill 'em all mentality to return to our beloved football team instead of this insipid, lack luster BS . You still haven't made an argument worth shit. All you've done is eloquently expressed your hatred for liberal political ideology and somehow decided it is to blame for our season without giving any evidence other than that Rooney spends much time in Ireland and stupidly thanked the prez for a SB win prez had jack shit to do with. But that's actually not evidence until you find a way to link it to the team's performance. DON'T YOU GET IT?!! So far you just say it is and everyone is supposed to believe you. I'm not enraged at all, I'm just waiting for you to say something, anything, that proves your point. Fine, libertards are morons, fags, pansies. Great! What the fizuck has that to do with the Steelers?! Good lawd! Let me make it easy for you:

Your Premise One: Rooney is an ass-kissing libertard who lives in luxury in Ireland and is therefore not in Pittsburgh. (But this is not the cause now as you say above?)
Your missing Middle Premise: ?????
Your conclusion: The Steelers now have no heart and have become pussified.

What you need to do is to fill in the missing middle term that will connect your first premise to your conclusion. If you can't successfully link your conclusion and first premise, then you're merely assuming things.

Here is an easy example to follow:
Socrates is a rational animal.
Animals are mortal.
Therefore Socrates is mortal.

See how the middle term links the initial premise with the conclusion? Now you try! Or should I just blow you so you don't have to dissect my libertard, homosexual bullshit?

[Coke Oven Profile]

I think that Dan's absence is indirectly the cause of the Steeler's demise. What his being away has resulted in is Arty's unsupervised control of the team. This guy's a fucking lawyer for cryin out loud. And lawyers can never create anything. They're good at tearing down and brakeing apart. I think we're seeing the results of that, without Dan there are no checks and balances on Art.

Q.E.D.

[SteelThatDon'tRust Profile]

I think that Dan's absence is indirectly the cause of the Steeler's demise. What his being away has resulted in is Arty's unsupervised control of the team. This guy's a fucking lawyer for cryin out loud. And lawyers can never create anything. They're good at tearing down and brakeing apart. I think we're seeing the results of that, without Dan there are no checks and balances on Art.

Q.E.D.

And here we have a very nice Euclidean middle term. Well played sir.
But then this just raises another question: how involved is ownership? If Art was in the locker room or Tomlin's office breathing hell fire (a la Jerry Jones), would things be different? Many on this board know much more than I do about the Steeler's org, but what was Rooney doing when he was here that Art is or isn't doing that would explain the collapse? I just don't see Dan ever having meddled in the coaching. It seems to me this has to fall on Tomlin alone. The only way I see the Rooney's being accountable for this horrid season is hiring Tomlin in the first place (but coming off a super bowl win, no way I throw Tomlin under the bus yet...).

[Jeemie Profile]

I think that Dan's absence is indirectly the cause of the Steeler's demise. What his being away has resulted in is Arty's unsupervised control of the team. This guy's a fucking lawyer for cryin out loud. And lawyers can never create anything. They're good at tearing down and brakeing apart. I think we're seeing the results of that, without Dan there are no checks and balances on Art.

Q.E.D.

At least your syllogism has everything present, and it is actually a valid syllogism, so now we can analyze it and see if all the premises are true or not to see if the conclusion is actually true.

P1 Dan Rooney has been away in Ireland (True)
P2 Art Rooney II has unsupervised control of the team (Probably true)
P3 Art Rooney II is a lawyer (Valid)
P4 Lawyers destroy, not created (Don't know about this one).

Therefore:

C: The Steelers are being destroyed

We have at least one, possibly two premises to investigate to see if the conclusion might be a true one or not.

But it IS a valid argument- thanks for playing!

[PGHeaven Profile]

As everyone reading this thread can discern. The local libertards are enraged that I have brought Danny Boy Rooney - the Obama ass smoocher - to task for his humiliating Obama ass licking on the Super Bowl podium

Since that grotesque display of affection there has been a super bowl hangover of epic proportion. The Steelers have lost their hunger (except for cheeseburgers) and desire and Momlin has possibly lost the ear of most players as they dream of hot tubs and golf courses instead of studying film and practicing technique

The ensuing Lassez Fairre attitude is best exemplified by the palatial living arrangement being enjoyed by Danny Boy Rooney - whose absence - by the way - is NOT the cause of our decline - but rather just another example of "to the victor goes the spoils" type of behavior that is endemic at the Steelers organiztion in 2009

So while we endure the menstruations of the local libertards and their haughty pompous use of high brow terminology, and their fruitcake use of sylogisms and refrences to socrates - we watch with the hope that a new attitude prevails. A hard hat mentality. A take no prisoners mentality. Instead of the gruesome tedious liberal homosexual pissant philosophy that threatens to emasculate our cherished Steelers.

[Jeemie Profile]

As everyone reading this thread can discern. The local libertards are enraged that I have brought Danny Boy Rooney - the Obama ass smoocher - to task for his humiliating Obama ass licking on the Super Bowl podium.

No one's enraged.

In fact...several here have agreed with you that it was in poor taste.

We are just able to keep our political worldview in perspective so we do not run off into ridiculous flights of fancy into an imaginary world where everything that happens can be classified into overly-simplistic, narrowly defined "boxes".

In short, most of us graduated from grade school.

[PGHeaven Profile]

As everyone reading this thread can discern. The local libertards are enraged that I have brought Danny Boy Rooney - the Obama ass smoocher - to task for his humiliating Obama ass licking on the Super Bowl podium

Since that grotesque display of affection there has been a super bowl hangover of epic proportion. The Steelers have lost their hunger (except for cheeseburgers) and desire and Momlin has possibly lost the ear of most players as they dream of hot tubs and golf courses instead of studying film and practicing technique

The ensuing Lassez Fairre attitude is best exemplified by the palatial living arrangement being enjoyed by Danny Boy Rooney - whose absence - by the way - is NOT the cause of our decline - but rather just another example of "to the victor goes the spoils" type of behavior that is endemic at the Steelers organiztion in 2009 and may I add, the inhabitants of the welfare state in the USA.

So while we endure the menstruations of the local libertards, remembering how they used to kiss the teachers ass in high school, and their haughty pompous use of high brow terminology, and their fruitcake use of sylogisms their condescending brandishment of Euclides and their laughable references to Socrates - we watch with the hope that a new attitude prevails. A hard hat mentality. A take no prisoners mentality. Instead of the gruesome tedious liberal homosexual pissant philosophy that threatens to emasculate our cherished Steelers.

[AZ Steel Profile]

Enraged, no. Sick and tired of the unsubstantiated, uninformed, and downright idiotic political tirades that are rampant on this site, yes.

I honestly don’t give a fuck if Dan Rooney endorsed Ambassador Zod from Alpha Centauri for president. Dan Rooney is a citizen of the United States and if he wants to campaign for Obama 365 days a year, he has that right. Do I agree with it? Who cares, it doesn’t matter! Lots of people have died for all of us to have the right to speak our opinion, even if that opinion is different than our own. Just because Dan Rooney owns a football team doesn’t mean he has to somehow forfeit that right.

And the reality is that this issue has absolutely no bearing on Steelers Football. Rooney became Ambassador to Ireland because he campaigned for Obama. The Steelers have crapped out the last 5 games because they’ve been playing like shit. These facts have nothing to do with each other, NOTHING. As everyone knows, except for PG Heaven apparently, Art Rooney II runs the damn team and has since 2003. And if someone can present a causal relationship between the Steelers meltdown and Dan Rooney, Barack Obama and liberals as a whole, please back it up with some real facts. Clearly, this has not happened because it’s an absolute bullshit argument made by small-minded simpletons. All I’ve seen is PG Heaven presenting intellectually indolent political views and uneducated polemical arguments but not supporting his assertions with any kind of factual information or relevant data. When others try to actually have a real, intelligent conversation, PG Heaven puts his fingers in his ears, sticks out his tongue and starts calling people names like a 4 year old. Name-calling doesn’t prove a point. It just proves what an immature idiot you truly are PG Heaven.

C’mon, let’s get back to Steelers Football – please. This site is becoming a cesspool of political stupidity. If I was interested in that kind of crap, I’d listen to Rush Limbaugh. This site used to be an interesting forum to discuss the Steelers. What the hell happened? Again I ask, can we return to the subject of footbal, please.

[PGHeaven Profile]

As everyone reading this thread can discern. The thread libertards who obviously all hail from Moscow west of the Rockies - are enraged that I have brought Danny Boy Rooney - the Obama ass smoocher - to task for his humiliating Obama ass licking on the Super Bowl podium. They can not hide their shrill displeasure as the growing tide of Anti Obamanomics and Anti Obama social engineering now finds its way onto the board, despite their feeble attempts at censure on a freedom of speech, yea verily, a DONT TREAD ON ME AND MY STEELERS board

Since that grotesque display of affection there has been a super bowl hangover of epic proportion. The Steelers have lost their hunger (except for cheeseburgers) and desire and Momlin has possibly lost the ear of most players as they dream of hot tubs and golf courses instead of studying film and practicing technique

The ensuing Lassez Fairre attitude is best exemplified by the palatial living arrangement being enjoyed by Danny Boy Rooney - whose absence - by the way - is NOT the cause of our decline - but rather just another example of "to the victor goes the spoils" type of behavior that is endemic at the Steelers organiztion in 2009 and may I add, the inhabitants of the welfare state in the USA.

So while we endure the menstruations of the local libertards, remembering how they used to kiss the teachers ass in high school, and their haughty pompous use of high brow terminology, and their fruitcake use of sylogisms their condescending brandishment of Euclides and their laughable references to Socrates - we watch with the hope that a new attitude prevails. A hard hat mentality. A take no prisoners mentality. Instead of the gruesome tedious liberal homosexual pissant philosophy that threatens to emasculate our cherished Steelers.

[stillgoingstrong Profile]

so are we officially in the hunt to hire cowher?

[AZ Steel Profile]

so are we officially in the hunt to hire cowher?

No, Billy Boy’s a has been. My vote goes to PG Heaven because that guy is a fucking genius, incredibly mature, and sophisticated – a class act all the way around.

I'm surprised the Steelers organization hasn’t recognized his brilliance and hired him already. I guess there are child labor laws in Pennsylvania still, oh well.

Maybe in 16 years when he graduates from middle school. I can’t wait!

[Coke Oven Profile]

"P4 Lawyers destroy, not created (Don't know about this one)."

According to Godel's theorem, there have to be things that are true that can never be proven. Look it up. In my opinion P4 happens to be one of them.

[SteelThatDon'tRust Profile]

"P4 Lawyers destroy, not created (Don't know about this one)."

According to Godel's theorem, there have to be things that are true that can never be proven. Look it up. In my opinion P4 happens to be one of them.

Gödel's theorem refers to first principles though, not what is deduced from them. All inquiry ultimately rests on an initial assumption about the nature of reality. Like the principle of non-contradiction or something similar like Euclid's fifth postulate. First principles can't be demonstrated or else they wouldn't be first. So they have to be assumed, though usually uncovered with dialectic. Then they get defended by showing it is absurd to deny them. Is it absurd to deny that lawyers necessarily destroy things?