View topic - Why Mike Tomlin ws hired???

[m1k3 Profile]

Barry Switzer won a super bowl too so what?

Don't bring your weakass game around here you tool.

The situations aren't even close to being the same.

The Cowboys were on the back end of a dynasty that had just won back to back Super Bowls.

The Steelers were an above average team that recently won a Super Bowl and just finished an 8-8 season.

[steelandblood Profile]

You guys holding the support the team no matter what philosophy would espouse to keep buying Buicks because they were once good, no matter how crappy they are now, just so you can be loyal to the brand.

Anyone who continues to support a team, and keeps shelling dough to the owners, no matter how crappy a product that owner puts on the field, is just plain stupid.

Loyalty does have its limits, which is why I will not set foot in PNC Park nor cheer on the Pirates until they follow the examples of other small and medium market teams that have had some success and well... give me something to root for other than not losing 100 games.

Coke Oven, if want to embrace a bandwagon jumper mentality simply because our hallowed franchise is having a mindboggling implosion then why don't become a Patriots "fan?" Then you can be just like them and not even know how many superbowls your "favorite" team played in.

[Coke Oven Profile]

"Coke Oven, if want to embrace a bandwagon jumper mentality simply because our hallowed franchise is having a mindboggling implosion then why don't become a Patriots "fan?" Then you can be just like them and not even know how many superbowls your "favorite" team played in."

Would that make you shut the fuck up and go away? Quit your fuckin whining.

[SteelBeach Profile]

Tomlin got the job to fill NFL quotas, only reason he is is because of some sort of NFL policy, in college they are rare because there is no policy(Rooney rule) and colleges want to give the job to best qualified and not a lesser coach because of some sort of minority quota.. They have their roles of course on coaching rosters and many great as defensive coaches, offensive, etc. Mike is a good guy and good to have on staff but not head coach material.

Rooney rule, the Rooneys I guess felt or were pushed into hiring this clown

Barry Switzer won a super bowl too but we know who really put that team together.

you are a rasict fuk. lose the screen name. you shame it.

[steelcitymetal Profile]

Tomlin got the job to fill NFL quotas

he won us a fucking super bowl, asshole.

[SteelThatDon'tRust Profile]

Yes and Conservaterds assume thinking for yourself is best even if what you think is stupid. A conservaterd would proudly tell Plato to go fuk himself if it meant the conservaterd could continue holding his own opinion and thinking it matters that he came up with it. Freedom over virtue! Any way, I still don't get it. Don't owners own and don't coaches coach? How does Rooney being an ambassador affect (and note affect, not effect, is appropriate here) coaching and player performance? I don't want to start a nasty argument, I just want to read how Rooney being out of the country is a cause of the Stiller melt down? I'm willing to give Tomlin the benefit of the doubt for now, though it sure seems like the team has quit on him. If Rooney was around the team would't have quit? Maybe he just needs a bigger jaw? Oh, and to defend others I disagree with, saying Tomlin is an affirmative action coach doesn't make you a racist, it just makes you someone who may hold a really stupid opinion. Why not ask the Rooney's if they'd risk ruining their team for the sake of racial parity? Do the conservaterds really believe this? I don't buy it.

[PGHeaven Profile]

Yes and Conservaterds assume thinking for yourself is best even if what you think is stupid. A conservaterd would proudly tell Plato to go fuk himself if it meant the conservaterd could continue holding his own opinion and thinking it matters that he came up with it. Freedom over virtue! Any way, I still don't get it. Don't owners own and don't coaches coach? How does Rooney being an ambassador affect (and note affect, not effect, is appropriate here) coaching and player performance? I don't want to start a nasty argument, I just want to read how Rooney being out of the country is a cause of the Stiller melt down? I'm willing to give Tomlin the benefit of the doubt for now, though it sure seems like the team has quit on him. If Rooney was around the team would't have quit? Maybe he just needs a bigger jaw?

You say you dont want to start a nasty argument after saying conservaterd 3 times. Typical libertard talking out of both sides of her botoxed bree hole. Look here punk. Danny Boy's ass licking of Obama on the world stage was the height of partisan politics entering the football arena. So HE started it, noone else. I say that Momlin deserves another chance. But the pussification of the Steelers started the moment Danny Boy packed his shit and headed for the palace in Ireland. Dan moved out, the ping pong and pool tables moved in.

We will not really know the inverse of the situation until we kick Obamas ass out of office in 2012 and Rooney is told to pack his shit and vacate the palace. In the meantime go affect yourself idiot

[SteelThatDon'tRust Profile]

And how do you know I voted for Obama (I did, though)? I why do you suppose I kept referring to conservatives as conservaterds? Perhaps because some on this board keep referring to liberals as libertards? I don't think name calling is helpful and William Buckley certainly wouldn't either. So, look, I;'m kidding when I say conservatives are conservaterds, I don't really believe that. But look, to get serious, you say Rooney's butt licking was the height of the politicalization of sports—and even as a dumb "libertard" I completely agree with you. I'm not sure if that means I'm thinking for myself or not. It was dumb and had no place there. But now let's turn to some syllogisms and see if what you have to say has merit. You say "the pussification of the Steelers started the moment Danny Boy packed his shit and headed for the palace in Ireland." But of course this is not true. The Steelers were 6 -2 before they were 6 -7. When you say the pussification started when Rooney left, this does not in any way shape or form show this was the CAUSE of the pussification. This, my friend, is temporal correlation and NOT causation. And again, the sucking did not begin when he left either. It began nine weeks into the season. Further, when you say we won't know if your analysis is true until "we" elect someone other than Obama, then why do you argue so passionately that you must be right. And further still, if things do turn around if Ronney has to come home, to say this proves your point is to commit the fallacy of affirming the consequent, much like: we tortured and there were no attacks, therefore torture prevents attacks. So, are you demonstrating Rooney's absence is the cause or are you merely assuming it and assuming you're right and assuming I'm an asshole and a libertard because I disagree?

[SteelThatDon'tRust Profile]

Oh, forgot to add: none of what I say means you're not right either PG Heaven. I just wonder if you've really made an adequate case for what you say.
(Look we're sharing beers like Carville and former Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist!)

[PGHeaven Profile]

The Steelers have mailed it in. They are not playing for Momlin. You are overthinking things. I merely trace the timeline back to when we were competing and move forward from there. Far as I am concerned the zenith was the super bowl and we started going downhill the moment Danny Boy gave his stupid speech

Any business takes its mission from the man at the top

I believe Danny Boy opted for laissez-faire and that has trickled down the hierarchy to be played out on the field. Witness Momlins harsh words NOT BACKED BY ACTION

The ONE bright spot of the management season was when Momlin DID back his words and benched Rashard, who promptly got the message and responded

Poor coaching as a result of laissez-faire from the top. Fuck you Rooney!

[Jeemie Profile]

If the Steelers are performing badly because Dan Rooney isn't around, that essentially means we can't trust Art II to run the team because he can't control them the way Dan can.

And if that's true, then we're fucked when Dan retires/dies.

But first, we have to have some evidence that the team needs Dan around, else it will degenerate into a band of spoiled brats.

I mean, Art II's been the boss since 2003, so where's the evidence for this?

[Jeemie Profile]

The Steelers have mailed it in. They are not playing for Momlin. You are overthinking things. I merely trace the timeline back to when we were competing and move forward from there. Far as I am concerned the zenith was the super bowl and we started going downhill the moment Danny Boy gave his stupid speech

Any business takes its mission from the man at the top

I believe Danny Boy opted for laissez-faire and that has trickled down the hierarchy to be played out on the field. Witness Momlins harsh words NOT BACKED BY ACTION

The ONE bright spot of the management season was when Momlin DID back his words and benched Rashard, who promptly got the message and responded

Poor coaching as a result of laissez-faire from the top. Fuck you Rooney!

I reiterate- Dan Rooney hasn't run the day-to-day operations for the Steelers since 2003...Art II has.

So you're really questioning Art II's leadership.

[SteelThatDon'tRust Profile]

The Steelers have mailed it in. They are not playing for Momlin. You are overthinking things. I merely trace the timeline back to when we were competing and move forward from there. Far as I am concerned the zenith was the super bowl and we started going downhill the moment Danny Boy gave his stupid speech

Any business takes its mission from the man at the top

I believe Danny Boy opted for laissez-faire and that has trickled down the hierarchy to be played out on the field. Witness Momlins harsh words NOT BACKED BY ACTION

The ONE bright spot of the management season was when Momlin DID back his words and benched Rashard, who promptly got the message and responded

Poor coaching as a result of laissez-faire from the top. Fuck you Rooney!

So the argument is that if Rooney was around, his foot would be up Tomlin's ass to get the job done? Since he's in Ireland, he either doesn't care if Tomlin's getting it done or is too busy making smooch smooch with the Irish to be able to care. How would Rooney being here force Tomlin to take different measures than he has unless Rooney got all Jerry Jones on Tomlin's ass? I still don't see it. Rooney's gonna let his coaches coach. This mess is on Tomlin isn't it? Unless the sheer force of Rooney's pphysical presence would makeTomlin break out in cold sweats at night. Or what could Ronney do? Go into into the locker room and say any one who doesn't unleash hell like Tomlin said is fired? I guess what I'm asking is, what does Rooney do when he's in town that helps the team win that he isn't doing now (since you say ownership has gone hands off)? 'Cause we know what Jerry Jonesn' it does to a team.

[Jeemie Profile]

The Steelers have mailed it in. They are not playing for Momlin. You are overthinking things. I merely trace the timeline back to when we were competing and move forward from there. Far as I am concerned the zenith was the super bowl and we started going downhill the moment Danny Boy gave his stupid speech

Any business takes its mission from the man at the top

I believe Danny Boy opted for laissez-faire and that has trickled down the hierarchy to be played out on the field. Witness Momlins harsh words NOT BACKED BY ACTION

The ONE bright spot of the management season was when Momlin DID back his words and benched Rashard, who promptly got the message and responded

Poor coaching as a result of laissez-faire from the top. Fuck you Rooney!

So the argument is that if Rooney was around, his foot would be up Tomlin's ass to get the job done? Since he's in Ireland, he either doesn't care if Tomlin's getting it done or is too busy making smooch smooch with the Irish to be able to care. How would Rooney being here force Tomlin to take different measures than he has unless Rooney got all Jerry Jones on Tomlin's ass? I still don't see it. Rooney's gonna let his coaches coach. This mess is on Tomlin isn't it? Unless the sheer force of Rooney's pphysical presence would makeTomlin break out in cold sweats at night. Or what could Ronney do? Go into into the locker room and say any one who doesn't unleash hell like Tomlin said is fired? I guess what I'm asking is, what does Rooney do when he's in town that helps the team win that he isn't doing now (since you say ownership has gone hands off)? 'Cause we know what Jerry Jonesn' it does to a team.

Or what does he do that Art II doesn't, since Art II is STILL IN PITTSBURGH, and has RUN THE TEAM SINCE 2003?

[PGHeaven Profile]

You both still want to make it like Microsurgery in your desire to be right. I dont want to hear any of this who is around and what they would do shit.

The card was played by Danny Boy on the podium and we are reaping the results. No critical thinking necessary. Momlin ordred the pool tables and the rest is history.

Matter of fact, I DONT WANT DANNY BOY AROUND! But this season is shot like the morning after a drunk and Danny Boy provided the punch

Get it now???

[Jeemie Profile]

You both still want to make it like Microsurgery in your desire to be right. I dont want to hear any of this who is around and what they would do shit.

The card was played by Danny Boy on the podium and we are reaping the results. No critical thinking necessary. Momlin ordred the pool tables and the rest is history.

Yes- critical thinking IS necessary.

You need to prove that Tomlin ordered pool tables because Dan Rooney started thinking about life after football...else you're just spouting your opinion.

Which is fine, but it makes it your opinion and nothing more.

And it's not about "us being right"...it's about you not having substantiated your claim.

Correlation is NOT causation.

[SteelThatDon'tRust Profile]

I get that you don't want us to think critically about why the season has gone to shit and that if we really want to be right, we shouldn't be thinking critically, but perhaps only casually. Does this mean in your desire to be right you aren't thinking critically? Look, Rooney really ruined a lot of the SB win by thanking Obama who had absolutely jack shit to do with anything. But that Rooney being in Ireland has anything to do with the melt down hasn't been demonstrated at all. And you yourself say Tomlin mailed it in. TOMLIN. He's the head coach and the buck stops with him. Which means Obama via Rooney has jack shit to do with it too. Tomlin is HC and Tomlin didn't make the changes needed or give the inspiration needed to pull the men up. Piss poor play by players hasn't helped either.

[PGHeaven Profile]

Correlation causation what the fuck ever. The Steelers have injured players and adversity just like any other team in the NFL. The Colts are fucking decimated with injuries. What is the diffrence?

HUNGER! Danny Boy RUINED everyones appetite!

NOW DO YOU GET IT? hint - quit with your causation correlation bullshit

[Jeemie Profile]

Correlation causation what the fuck ever. The Steelers have injured players and adversity just like any other team in the NFL. The Colts are fucking decimated with injuries. What is the diffrence?

HUNGER! Danny Boy RUINED everyones appetite!

NOW DO YOU GET IT? hint - quit with your causation correlation bullshit

Prove it.

Other than that, it's simply your opinion.

And even if you're right, why are you so angry at Dan?

Is he required to go on thinking nothing but football until the day he keels over?

What if he had just decided to retire?

If you're right, you should be more angry at the weak, immature coaches and players who decided they no longer wanted to perform just because their 80-something owner decided he wanted to do something else with his golden years.

[SteelThatDon'tRust Profile]

Correlation causation what the fuck ever. The Steelers have injured players and adversity just like any other team in the NFL. The Colts are fucking decimated with injuries. What is the diffrence?

HUNGER! Danny Boy RUINED everyones appetite!

NOW DO YOU GET IT? hint - quit with your causation correlation bullshit

Actually, Danny Boy ruining the appetite to win would be a genuine cause. What we're asking for is a demonstration that proves he did in fact do this. We're making a distinction between correlation and causation because a correlation means you're just assuming shit. Providing an demonstration of the cause would mean you're actually making your case and then we'd have to agree with you whether we want to or not. So, how can WE prove or demonstrate that Rooney moving off to Ireland ruined the appetite to win, especially if Arty is the man in charge for some time now? If we're not actually interested in making an argument to this effect, but just want to vent unsubstantiated claims, then there's no reason to keep this thread going...I do, in fact, get it, I just disagree with you on what counts as evidence that should be taken seriously. Until you can demonstrate that Rooney is the cause of the loss of hunger, why should any one believe it? What if I say 2+ 2 = 5? Or that all swans are white? Shouldn't I be required to demonstrate that this is the case if I'm going to be taken seriously? The team is on a seriously ugly skid and this skid is an effect of something and all effects have causes. Why should we believe Rooney's absence is the cause if we have no demonstration that proves this?