View topic - Different Perspectives on the Meltdown............

[StillDodger Profile]

A friend of mine, who happens to be a Browns fan, thinks the Steelers tried to throw the game........... (He thought Ben was taking sacks on purpose. "It was too easy.") He thought something was really fishy in the way the Steelers were playing, during the entire game........... He didn't even brag about the Browns winning like he normally does, because he thinks the Steelers threw the game. (He was a lot more ecstatic after the win over Buffalo earlier this season.)

I personally think the so-called Rooney "Obama fest" earlier this year subconsciously destroyed the passion amongst part of this team............. I've made this comment once before, and was booed off the stage........ But I wouldn't be shocked if some players, especially those who get traded or retire, express feedback over this..........

Either way, right or wrong, something has really gone awry, and I personally think it's more than merely poor play or poor coaching. I've never seen a professional team do so well and then **suddenly** do so poorly.

I did scream for Tomlin's head yesterday, but I think it might be something deeper within the organization.

[Coke Oven Profile]

"Either way, right or wrong, something has really gone awry, and I personally think it's more than merely poor play or poor coaching. I've never seen a professional team do so well and then **suddenly** do so poorly.

I did scream for Tomlin's head yesterday, but I think it might be something deeper within the organization."

I do too. Perhaps little Arty wants to sell the team or move them.

[ohio jeff Profile]

I thought something was fishy after the KC game. Not one Steeler penalty
was shown again. When I looked at them again(I taped the game), I didn't
see any penalties. I could not see 100% of the plays again.

maybe the Steelers are not allowed to win this year.

[PGHeaven Profile]

A friend of mine, who happens to be a Browns fan, thinks the Steelers tried to throw the game........... (He thought Ben was taking sacks on purpose. "It was too easy.") He thought something was really fishy in the way the Steelers were playing, during the entire game........... He didn't even brag about the Browns winning like he normally does, because he thinks the Steelers threw the game. (He was a lot more ecstatic after the win over Buffalo earlier this season.)

I personally think the so-called Rooney "Obama fest" earlier this year subconsciously destroyed the passion amongst part of this team............. I've made this comment once before, and was booed off the stage........ But I wouldn't be shocked if some players, especially those who get traded or retire, express feedback over this..........

Either way, right or wrong, something has really gone awry, and I personally think it's more than merely poor play or poor coaching. I've never seen a professional team do so well and then **suddenly** do so poorly.

I did scream for Tomlin's head yesterday, but I think it might be something deeper within the organization.

I applauded you. The boobirds were mostly the libertards on the board. You know, the racebaiters. Organizations take their passion from the top down. year after year players come and players go, it is upper management and the owners who remain and provide the tempo, startegy, and the "rudder"

Rooneys fanny kissing on Obama at the Super Bowl podium was to me "shockingly inappropriate" and was the kind of curveball you just could not shake. Then there was the owner shake up

Hard to prove anything by the scientific method, but empirically, it is sound to say that the zenith was at 00:00 on the clock after Curt Warner was stripped by Keisel and the descent down began when Rooney thanked Obama. Cripes that angers me yet

[kabbage Profile]

Ha! Conspiracy! This team is playing without passion. They all got their rings, they all got paid and they all want a short season. let's just pray these lose out so we at least get a shot at one of the Heisman candidates.

[StillDodger Profile]

"Either way, right or wrong, something has really gone awry, and I personally think it's more than merely poor play or poor coaching. I've never seen a professional team do so well and then **suddenly** do so poorly.

I did scream for Tomlin's head yesterday, but I think it might be something deeper within the organization."

I do too. Perhaps little Arty wants to sell the team or move them.

You mean like the Arty (Modell) from Cleveland??

Nothing would surprise me...... But I don't see the "fan alienation" that I remember with Modell and Belichoke running the Browns..............

I once opposed the Rooneys being totally out of the Steelers future, but my attitude has changed.

[StillDodger Profile]

A friend of mine, who happens to be a Browns fan, thinks the Steelers tried to throw the game........... (He thought Ben was taking sacks on purpose. "It was too easy.") He thought something was really fishy in the way the Steelers were playing, during the entire game........... He didn't even brag about the Browns winning like he normally does, because he thinks the Steelers threw the game. (He was a lot more ecstatic after the win over Buffalo earlier this season.)

I personally think the so-called Rooney "Obama fest" earlier this year subconsciously destroyed the passion amongst part of this team............. I've made this comment once before, and was booed off the stage........ But I wouldn't be shocked if some players, especially those who get traded or retire, express feedback over this..........

Either way, right or wrong, something has really gone awry, and I personally think it's more than merely poor play or poor coaching. I've never seen a professional team do so well and then **suddenly** do so poorly.

I did scream for Tomlin's head yesterday, but I think it might be something deeper within the organization.

I applauded you. The boobirds were mostly the libertards on the board. You know, the racebaiters. Organizations take their passion from the top down. year after year players come and players go, it is upper management and the owners who remain and provide the tempo, startegy, and the "rudder"

Rooneys fanny kissing on Obama at the Super Bowl podium was to me "shockingly inappropriate" and was the kind of curveball you just could not shake. Then there was the owner shake up

Hard to prove anything by the scientific method, but empirically, it is sound to say that the zenith was at 00:00 on the clock after Curt Warner was stripped by Keisel and the descent down began when Rooney thanked Obama. Cripes that angers me yet

I won't comment on the political affiliations...... But I think of what happened to the Dixie Chicks after their political revelation........... The organization's culture has been forever tainted, and will not be the same as long as the Rooneys run this franchise. A "Tiger Woods" moment, if you will.

This is also why Rush Limbaugh would never succeed as an owner. The direction of the political bias doesn't matter. The only way to sustain total focus on the success of a sports franchise is to be totally apolitical. For once such revelation comes forth, the focus amongst every individual player is no longer on the big prize.

[Coke Oven Profile]

"I won't comment on the political affiliations...... But I think of what happened to the Dixie Chicks after their political revelation........... The organization's culture has been forever tainted, and will not be the same as long as the Rooneys run this franchise. A "Tiger Woods" moment, if you will."

Interesting take. With Obama's approval rating hovering somewhere between 40 - 50 percent, any random sample of people should yield about half for and half against. Given that, when Rooney made his statement he automatically could have lost about half his team.

[Coke Oven Profile]

I once worked at a place where I was under 2 vice presidents and a director. One vice president and the director liked me, the other vice president didn't. The good vp and director left town for a business meeting. The remaining vp unleashed hell on me.

Is that what's going on with the Steelers. Dan's gone and Art remains. How does Art like all of the Steeler coaches? Was he instrumental in bringing on Tomlin? All of these questions and no means of getting them answered.

[mckeesrockstheburg Profile]

Well, ...while we're all on the "What's up with that?" train, did we forget Barack "The Won" Obama's infamous comment on Afghanistan? "I am uncomfortable with the term "victory". "

You all remember that one? Think it has rubbed off? Just like McChrystal asked for 40k troops and got 30k, maybe we're playing with 30 guys instead of 45.

I cannot believe 8 sacks from the worst "D" in the league. Just too damn obvious. Hank Poteat? We made him look like a Rod Woodson impersonator, for crying out loud. If we show up to play the Pack this way, something is amiss. High draft picks?

Call me nieve (sp?) but I just can't see these guys tossing a game with orders from above. I can certainly believe offensive performance was what it was because of Bruce, but not because of "orders".

Although, 2 things are sticking in my craw. Why is Miller being shut down all of the sudden? I catch in Oakland, 1 in KC, 1 or 2 in Cleve.? And more drops than catches lately? I have heard that literally "practice stops" in wonderment when he does have a drop in practice. Love this guy. Answers?

#2: Where has "no-huddle" gone? Why is it last 4 or 5 games we can't move ball yet early in year we scored with NH every damn time? I live in SC now, so you in the 'Burgh will have more feeling, info. Answers?

[Coke Oven Profile]

"You all remember that one? Think it has rubbed off? Just like McChrystal asked for 40k troops and got 30k, maybe we're playing with 30 guys instead of 45."

I don't fault Obama for overruling his general. Just like Truman knew what Mao and Stalin were up to and MacArthur didn't, Obama probably knows some things that McChrystal doesn't.

[mckeesrockstheburg Profile]

I don't fault Obama for overruling his general. Just like Truman knew what Mao and Stalin were up to and MacArthur didn't, Obama probably knows some things that McChrystal doesn't.

Oh yeah, Barry knows things alright. Like how to &^%$-up the country and let these muslanimals in to NY for their day in the sun. Barry wouldn't know what end of the rifle the bullet comes out of.

[Coke Oven Profile]

I didn't say that Barack knows everything. Nor do I think that he's good at everything. He's just in a position to know more globally than his general is. Believe me, I'm not a fan of Obama's and I would never vote for him. But this is one instance, because of my knowledge of history, where I think that he could be right.

[StillDodger Profile]

This is what I was afraid of....... You guys are missing the point........ This has absolutely nothing to do with Obama himself, or how he's performing as president. That's for discussion somewhere outside the Stillers boards.

This has everything to do with an NFL owner kissing up to a prominent political entity. (What that political entity is specifically is *not* the issue.) It's the fact that some players have been turned off by it- The sense that they could be indirectly supporting a political entity they happen to oppose, instead of supporting the football organization..... And only the football organization. The total commitment to winning a Super Bowl for the Steelers has been compromised.

Had this kiss-up been toward the opposing political entity, it would have turned off a different group of players, but the exact same negative effect on the entire team nonetheless.

[PGHeaven Profile]

This is what I was afraid of....... You guys are missing the point........ This has absolutely nothing to do with Obama himself, or how he's performing as president. That's for discussion somewhere outside the Stillers boards.

This has everything to do with an NFL owner kissing up to a prominent political entity. (What that political entity is specifically is *not* the issue.) It's the fact that some players have been turned off by it- The sense that they could be indirectly supporting a political entity they happen to oppose, instead of supporting the football organization..... And only the football organization. The total commitment to winning a Super Bowl for the Steelers has been compromised.

Had this kiss-up been toward the opposing political entity, it would have turned off a different group of players, but the exact same negative effect on the entire team nonetheless.

I have always understood your hypothesis; and it is a good one; but I was thinking that Rooneys grandstand did something different. I thought that it signaled something to TOMLIN. And that was more of a laisez fairre thing thing than a partisan thing. Kind of like permission to go ahead and goof off for awhile.

This is what has happened to America by the way. Many MANY MFers are thinking that they no longer have to work to succeed. Obama will just give it to them

[Heartbreaker Profile]

Without a doubt Ben threw the game and risked the millions of dollars left on his contract, his NFL career and going to jail should he have been caught due to some political bullshit. I guess the pending lawsuit against him isn't enough of a burden.

It's obvious the Steeler players that resigned here were fleeced into coming back. Maybe you should find out if Nate Washington and Bryant McFadden didn't resign with the Steelers for these reasons.

Unbelievable.

And it was Lamar Woodley and not Brett Keisel who stripped Kurt Warner at 0:00

[PGHeaven Profile]

Without a doubt Ben threw the game and risked the millions of dollars left on his contract, his NFL career and going to jail should he have been caught due to some political bullshit. I guess the pending lawsuit against him isn't enough of a burden.

It's obvious the Steeler players that resigned here were fleeced into coming back. Maybe you should find out if Nate Washington and Bryant McFadden didn't resign with the Steelers for these reasons.

Unbelievable.

And it was Lamar Woodley and not Brett Keisel who stripped Kurt Warner at 0:00

Your sentence construction is so fucked up it's hard to tell when you are being sarcastic and when you are being a libertard

At any rate the subject matter here is worthy. Unless of course you are an asshole

[SteelThatDon'tRust Profile]

The players are throwing games b/c Rooney passionately supports Obama? Seriously? That's not a conservative or liberal conspiracy, that's just "i was abducted by aliens" retarded. If players are that affected by who management supports in the political arena, then they can go suck it. Most teams give big time to the Republican party. Does this mean democrat leaning players throw games in protest? Must be why the Chargers choke so much in the play offs. The liberal lion Philip Rivers must be sticking it to the ownership. Tool ass comments.

[deltadweller Profile]

Without a doubt Ben threw the game and risked the millions of dollars left on his contract, his NFL career and going to jail should he have been caught due to some political bullshit. I guess the pending lawsuit against him isn't enough of a burden.

It's obvious the Steeler players that resigned here were fleeced into coming back. Maybe you should find out if Nate Washington and Bryant McFadden didn't resign with the Steelers for these reasons.

Unbelievable.

And it was Lamar Woodley and not Brett Keisel who stripped Kurt Warner at 0:00

Your sentence construction is so fucked up it's hard to tell when you are being sarcastic and when you are being a libertard

At any rate the subject matter here is worthy. Unless of course you are an asshole

Or a libertard.

[SteelThatDon'tRust Profile]

Without a doubt Ben threw the game and risked the millions of dollars left on his contract, his NFL career and going to jail should he have been caught due to some political bullshit. I guess the pending lawsuit against him isn't enough of a burden.

It's obvious the Steeler players that resigned here were fleeced into coming back. Maybe you should find out if Nate Washington and Bryant McFadden didn't resign with the Steelers for these reasons.

Unbelievable.

And it was Lamar Woodley and not Brett Keisel who stripped Kurt Warner at 0:00

Your sentence construction is so fucked up it's hard to tell when you are being sarcastic and when you are being a libertard

At any rate the subject matter here is worthy. Unless of course you are an asshole

Isn't this the kind of BS that gets thrown around on far left and far right radio programs by commie morons and inbred hicks who think "their" county's been taken away from them? I can't believe this shit has been posted...It's worthy of discussion only if you're an idiot, of which their are plenty in both political spectrums. The Steelers sucking most likely has a less John Grishom-esque cause.