View topic - Choose your coordinators

[bigjoespompano Profile]

A miracle has happened! LeBeau has retired and Shithead has, well, who gives a flyin fukk (just as long as he's gone). You need two replacements RIGHT NOW. Your choices??

[Slickster10 Profile]

A miracle has happened! LeBeau has retired and Shithead has, well, who gives a flyin fukk (just as long as he's gone). You need two replacements RIGHT NOW. Your choices??

Well........I don't call LeBeau retiring a miracle and as far as offensive cord. I would bring in Brian Billick or fat ass Charlie.

[SoCal Stiller Profile]

I like Harbough from Stanford. That would really piss off his bro with the ratbirds too!

I'm not ready to give up on Lebeau aside from his unwillingness to have Taunto ride the bench on 3rd & 4th down. We still rank up there year after year on 'D'. Problem is the secondary can't cover or tackle.

[m1k3 Profile]

The amount of bitching about the coordinators on this site is almost nauseating.

Let's look back at the losses of the season thus far and the primary reasons for them:

Chi - Reed's missed FGs and Sweed's stone hands
Cincy - Piss poor coverage in the red zone on Cincy's final drive
Cincy - Piss poor kick coverage + one of Ben's worst games ever
KC - PIss poor ST again + 2 consecutive long passes because of blown coverage on final drive in reg
Bal - At least 3 missed tackles on the 4th&5 play + Dixon's INT

I bet if you go back and look at the stats for all of these games, the Steelers probably won or were pretty even with the other team. Trust me, I have some issues with some of the offensive playcalling. However, in virtually all of these games the players were in position to make plays. They failed to execute. You just simply cannot blame that on coaching.

[SoCal Stiller Profile]

The amount of bitching about the coordinators on this site is almost nauseating.

Let's look back at the losses of the season thus far and the primary reasons for them:

Chi - Reed's missed FGs and Sweed's stone hands
Cincy - Piss poor coverage in the red zone on Cincy's final drive
Cincy - Piss poor kick coverage + one of Ben's worst games ever
KC - PIss poor ST again + 2 consecutive long passes because of blown coverage on final drive in reg
Bal - At least 3 missed tackles on the 4th&5 play + Dixon's INT

I bet if you go back and look at the stats for all of these games, the Steelers probably won or were pretty even with the other team. Trust me, I have some issues with some of the offensive playcalling. However, in virtually all of these games the players were in position to make plays. They failed to execute. You just simply cannot blame that on coaching.

You are missing the main point! Win or lose, this is the best combination of both talent and experience we have had on offense since the 79-80 season, yet Arians has absolutely no clue how to get the most out of it. If it is so nauseating, then why the hell do you read and post to this site???

[Uhh Profile]

Not to point out the obvious, but although you can list off the reasons for our defeats like that, you could also say they were all because our O didn't score a bunch more points, too.

[FineLine Profile]

I agree with SoCal.I'm not a particularly big fan of the Arians offense but LeBeau has won alot of games in the NFL and his players are absolutely devoted to him and his system.
Older readers will remember Tom Moore,who was the OC in the late 80s I think.This guy was the Arians of the day,supposedly a world class idiot.
Today Moore is the highly regarded OC of the Colts.Of course it helps his QB is Peyton Manning and not Bubby Brister.Moral:it's about good players,mostly.

[FineLine Profile]

Sorry I meant to agree with m1k3

[m1k3 Profile]

You are missing the main point! Win or lose, this is the best combination of both talent and experience we have had on offense since the 79-80 season, yet Arians has absolutely no clue how to get the most out of it. If it is so nauseating, then why the hell do you read and post to this site???

You, sir, are missing the main point. Those shiny silver footballs are the point. Your argument might hold more water if this coaching staff hadn't just added another one to the trophy case in February.

No clue how to get the most out of it? The stats simply do not bear out your assertion.

The Stillers are ranked:

9th in overall offense
9th in yards per game
6th in yards per play
8th in passing yards per game

I read and post to this site because I'm a Steelers fan. I'm not looking to start a fight. I just think it's kind of ridiculous how a lot of people here simply parrot StillMill for whatever reason. He makes valid points in virtually every one of his postgame articles. But honestly, have you ever seen him write about how great our OC or DC did after any game?

LET'S HIRE FAT CHARLIE! Mike Shanahan is available. Or Brian Billick. Or better yet, when some more coaches get fired, there will probably be more retreads available.

Are you fucking kidding me?

p.s. We had Ken Whisenhunt and rumor has it Ben didn't get along with him too well. Ben and Arians are BFFs. Good luck getting rid of his ass.

[m1k3 Profile]

I agree with SoCal.I'm not a particularly big fan of the Arians offense but LeBeau has won alot of games in the NFL and his players are absolutely devoted to him and his system.
Older readers will remember Tom Moore,who was the OC in the late 80s I think.This guy was the Arians of the day,supposedly a world class idiot.
Today Moore is the highly regarded OC of the Colts.Of course it helps his QB is Peyton Manning and not Bubby Brister.Moral:it's about good players,mostly.

Well said.

[Field General Ben Profile]

OC - Tom Rathman.
DC - Jack Lambert

[ILLSTILL Profile]

The amount of bitching about the coordinators on this site is almost nauseating.

Let's look back at the losses of the season thus far and the primary reasons for them:

Chi - Reed's missed FGs and Sweed's stone hands
Cincy - Piss poor coverage in the red zone on Cincy's final drive
Cincy - Piss poor kick coverage + one of Ben's worst games ever
KC - PIss poor ST again + 2 consecutive long passes because of blown coverage on final drive in reg
Bal - At least 3 missed tackles on the 4th&5 play + Dixon's INT

I bet if you go back and look at the stats for all of these games, the Steelers probably won or were pretty even with the other team. Trust me, I have some issues with some of the offensive playcalling. However, in virtually all of these games the players were in position to make plays. They failed to execute. You just simply cannot blame that on coaching.

One of the most mind-blowing (non-troll) posts in recent memory. So I'll break it down.


Chi - Reed's missed FGs and Sweed's stone hands Not to mention the beautiful prevent defense to give up the late lead
Cincy - Piss poor coverage in the red zone on Cincy's final drive Not entirely. As a matter of fact they would have stopped the bungles had it not been for FARRIOR BEING IN ON 4TH AND 10
Cincy - Piss poor kick coverage + one of Ben's worst games ever This game was unexplainable for me.
KC - PIss poor ST again + 2 consecutive long passes because of blown coverage on final drive in regHow about passing the ball constantly after the run game gave you such a comfortable lead?
Bal - At least 3 missed tackles on the 4th&5 play + Dixon's INT Dixon would have had a much better game had he done more rollouts, instead of run run pass. It's pretty easy to stop a greenhorn if you ALWAYS KNOW WHEN HE WILL PASS. I don't think I really need to mention the only reason the 4th and 5 play was a success.

[m1k3 Profile]

One of the most mind-blowing (non-troll) posts in recent memory. So I'll break it down.


Chi - Reed's missed FGs and Sweed's stone hands Not to mention the beautiful prevent defense to give up the late lead
Cincy - Piss poor coverage in the red zone on Cincy's final drive Not entirely. As a matter of fact they would have stopped the bungles had it not been for FARRIOR BEING IN ON 4TH AND 10
Cincy - Piss poor kick coverage + one of Ben's worst games ever This game was unexplainable for me.
KC - PIss poor ST again + 2 consecutive long passes because of blown coverage on final drive in regHow about passing the ball constantly after the run game gave you such a comfortable lead?
Bal - At least 3 missed tackles on the 4th&5 play + Dixon's INT Dixon would have had a much better game had he done more rollouts, instead of run run pass. It's pretty easy to stop a greenhorn if you ALWAYS KNOW WHEN HE WILL PASS. I don't think I really need to mention the only reason the 4th and 5 play was a success.

Your points are valid. But they still don't negate the fact that if someone makes a play in ANY of the above situations, the Steelers probably go on to win the game. And that's the most you can ask from your coaching staff, that they put the players in position to make plays to win the game.

Seriously dude, look at the two most recent suggestions in the thread:

Tom Rathman and Jack Lambert. Suggestions inspired completely from fandom.

Rathman has done nothing in coaching except coach RBs. Unless you count this:

"Rathman currently resides in Redwood Shores, California with his wife and three daughters, Nicole, Ali, and Samantha. He is also a key grip on the reality show The Two Coreys, starring Corey Feldman and Corey Haim." That's from Wikipedia, so who knows if it's true or not. The point is, there's no reason to believe he'd be a good playcaller.

Lambert is one of my favorite football players of all time. However, he hasn't been around the NFL in 25 years. Shit, there's no reason to believe that he even WATCHES the NFL. Furthermore, the Steelers played a 4-3 the entire time he played. There's absolutely no reason to believe he could step in and coach a 3-4.

Thanks, but no thanks. I'll stick with the guys who can call themselves the defending Super Bowl champions.

[mckeesrockstheburg Profile]

Choice for OC?

This may be a stretch and / or a case of college coaches not transitioning to NFL (Spurrier, Saban, etc.) but that said, anyone watch Boise State play? Not much "pro-caliber talent" but that guy is a hoot to watch what he does with the players he has. He USES their abilities and makes the offense work with the type of talent he has at the time. They put up numbers and they SCORE. Could be a "system" thing but I don't think so. They just put their players in a position to succeed with the ability they have.

DC: No college guy to work with here that comes to the front. That would not work out. I think you would need a track record of success (like Tomlin) doing different things at different places. Need an up & coming type of guy. No clue who that might be that's out there. Remember Tim Lewis? He was the next "Bud Carson" - a DC on his way to the top and he fizzled out. Where is he now? Need a young, high energy guy with experience.

[indysteel Profile]

Let's see....

Coaches coach, and players play.

The team that out blocks, out tackles, and out runs the other team wins (Lombardi quote).

Scheme -- as Billicheat is finding out -- is not nearly as important as how the players are playing.

These are professionals and this is the NFL. The current Steeler team is experienced. I doubt they really need anyone to tell them what position to be in, how to tackle, block, or anything else for that matter. The coach can call the play based on their scouting reports --- sometimes it is a correct read, sometimes not.

If we are going to be bitch about Farrior being out of position (and I agree he cannot cover a RB in the flat), then how do we explain Gay constantly getting beat, Ike constantly dropping passes, Hampton not constantly blowing up the middle, and Woodley not having an impact this year?

And, finally, the other fuckers are getting paid too. Sometime, you just get your ass whipped. This year, the Stillers are getting their asses whipped.

Using our logic on the OC and DC, we should fire the bosses of alll non-performing employees. After all, their manager failed to have them in the right position to succeed.....is not using their talents, etc.

As far as Dixon rolling out --- if that's all we had to do, that would be great. Two things -- one, the team as a whole is not built to sustain over 60 minutes multiple options, roll outs, misdirection, etc....this is the fucking NFL. Not college. Second, i's a good way to get Dixon killed and then we are onto Palko. That said, I DO think Arians could have used some of it a bit more.

[Steelhope Profile]

of course the players must make the plays.....the point is Arians CONSISTANTLY does NOT put in the right call to succeed
......3rd and 2, MM on a sweep is NOT calling a play that puts your players in a position to succeed.....and we all could list a multitude of dumbf--k calls Arians has made......now THAT is what nauseates me