View topic - Bruce Arian's offense vs the No Huddle...a comparison

[DirtDawson Profile]

Bruce Arians' Offense vs Ben and the No Huddle Offense:

Bruce Arians:
-8 offensive drives
-4 total 1st downs
-99 total offensive yards
-0 points


No Huddle:
-5 offensive drives, 4 of which were under time constraints.
-16 1st downs
-273 total offensive yards
-13 points and the game

[thesteelhammer Profile]

Nice research.
says it all

[StillMill Profile]

Fuk Bruce Arians.

[mckeesrockstheburg Profile]

[quote][Bruce Arians' Offense vs Ben and the No Huddle Offense:

Bruce Arians:
-8 offensive drives
-4 total 1st downs
-99 total offensive yards
-0 points


No Huddle:
-5 offensive drives, 4 of which were under time constraints.
-16 1st downs
-273 total offensive yards
-13 points and the game/quote]

THAT's what I'm talkin' about!

[hatethebrowns Profile]

dont get me wrong im not sticking up for shit for brains offense but is it that his calls are that bad or is it because the defense cant make changes

but the way no huddle works for us we should stick with it

[DirtDawson Profile]

Fuk Bruce Arians.

I hope you recieved my lengthy version of this post.

[SteelCityFan Profile]

How the fuck can a bunch of guys on this message board, the fans in the stands, and even the broadcasting crew see how fucked up our offense is but somehow Tomlin elects to continue to go with it? I'm done complaining about how inept Bruce "shit for brains" Arians is. Its time Tomlin starts to get some of the heat. What exactly is Coach looking at??? How can he not have put his boot up Arians ass and fired him by now? What the fuck is going on?!?!?!? And I'm tired of hearing that Ben holds onto the ball too long and that's the reason we give up all the sacks. Ask our running backs how they feel about the offensive line....... When was the last time our o-line kept our backs from getting hit it the backfield on a hand off.

[Coke Oven Profile]

How the fuck can a bunch of guys on this message board, the fans in the stands, and even the broadcasting crew see how fucked up our offense is but somehow Tomlin elects to continue to go with it? I'm done complaining about how inept Bruce "shit for brains" Arians is. Its time Tomlin starts to get some of the heat. What exactly is Coach looking at??? How can he not have put his boot up Arians ass and fired him by now? What the fuck is going on?!?!?!? And I'm tired of hearing that Ben holds onto the ball too long and that's the reason we give up all the sacks. Ask our running backs how they feel about the offensive line....... When was the last time our o-line kept our backs from getting hit it the backfield on a hand off.

The only insight I can provide into the Arians mystery is to draw a comparison with Chuck Noll and Joe Walton. You may not remember but when Chuck was in decline he was saddled with an offensive coordinator named Joe Walton. And this guy was bad. So bad that Arians looked competent by comparison. Everyone wandered what's up with that. Why does Noll keep this guy? We see how bad he is, why doesn't Noll?

Turns out ol' Joe was a personal friend of the Rooneys. He got fired by another team, I think it was the Jets, and needed a job. The Rooneys forced Chuck to keep him.

Ever since then when these blatantly bad situations come up for which there is no apparent explanation I try to look for the Rooney connection. Either through family ties or business connections or whatever. Haven't found it yet with Arians but I'll bet it's there. Tomlin's just too smart of a guy not to see what we and everyone else sees.

[thesteelhammer Profile]

Ben says some nice things about Arians on page 72 in the Sports Illustrated NFL Preview.

The interviewer asks, " Ben, Would you want to call your own (plays) ?"
Ben: "I do"
Interviewer: "How Much"
Ben: "About 40 %. Would I call it all? No. I'm the most untraitional guy here. I'm the one who wants to go just play backyard."
Interviewer: "That last series in the super bowl, did you make up stuff during that?"
Ben: "Yeah. The last two (plays). My coordinator, Bruce Arians, and I have a good relationship that he knows wha I'm thinking. Every once in a while if he sees something, he'll say, "Hey, don't forget this play." He'll tell me to run the ball if I'm throwing to much."

[Pommah Profile]

Could we get a breakdown of run vs. pass within those groupings of no-huddle vs. regular? I believe the correlation there is stronger. We are successful passing, and not running. Ben almost never calls a running play in the no-huddle. The fact that we are successful in the no-huddle is that we don't waste plays trying to run, not that it's no-huddle and Ben calling plays vs. Arians - my hypotheses, if you could prove/disprove with the data that would be great.

[mckeesrockstheburg Profile]

Someone with a more strategica offensive concept might help me here:

If BB is calling no-huddle stuff and it is 98% pass AND we keep opposing "D" on the field to tire them out, (which we clearly did in late 4th qtr & OT), don't the draw plays and RB screens begin to open up as the DB's chase Hines and Co. downfield. This would gain yds, eat up time, keep 'em guessing, and KEEP BRUCE "BLOOD CLOT" ARIANS out of it?
If we keep those guys on the field, they're chasing FWP, Mendy, et al, as well trying to cover our WR's, this has to create problems. Even if it is 5-7 yds at a time, KEEP US OUT OF 3rd downs where Bruce has to come onto this planet and get in the game.

Help me here lloyd, Mill, Iron, etc. but I run out of expletives watching some of these "offensive" performances.

[DirtDawson Profile]

Could we get a breakdown of run vs. pass within those groupings of no-huddle vs. regular? I believe the correlation there is stronger. We are successful passing, and not running. Ben almost never calls a running play in the no-huddle. The fact that we are successful in the no-huddle is that we don't waste plays trying to run, not that it's no-huddle and Ben calling plays vs. Arians - my hypotheses, if you could prove/disprove with the data that would be great.

I sent a much lengthier version of this thread to StillMill to be posted as an article. In the article i break down the play calling on every single offensive drive in the game, and how it changed drastically from Arians' playcalling to the no huddle.

If he decides not to use it as an article i will repost it here.

[Pommah Profile]

I, for one, would sure like to see it. I've posted multiple times that Ben's a better play caller than Arians, that it seems we always move the ball when we run the no-huddle, and that the rules in the NFL so favor passing, why even bother with the run, except maybe to mix it up a bit?

I live in New England. Yeah, yeah, Brady's gay, Bellichick's a cheater, blah blah. But they have had success, no? The Patriots gave up on running the ball a few years back. Lawrence Moroney? Gimme a break, he's not as good as Mewelde. They don't care.

To me, you play to your strengths, and BR7's the best in the biz at the no-huddle. Defenses can't stop him when he's in that zone. He does not get nearly enough credit for his passing accuracy, he gets through his reads quickly, he can take hits and not go down, and he can improvise on the fly. Maybe he's shortening his career by getting smacked so much, but he is who he is, I'd rather have a guy who's trying to make every play than all those pussy QB's who throw it away at the first sign of a defender getting through.

[mckeesrockstheburg Profile]

The Patriots gave up on running the ball a few years back

Read my post above. How many times do you see Kevin Faulk take a draw play for 5,6,7 yards or more?
Why? Because of the pass threat, maybe? Faulk coudn't run 100 yds if you gave him 'till next Tuesday to get it done but he is effective.

We have every bit the weapons if not more with 4 wideouts, yes I include Sweed. He needs to be used and tested in game situations. Wallace needs to be running short crossings for speed threat and "9" routes to stretch the D's.

Put the game in BB's hands. Take the helmet radio and tune it to MUZAK or something.
Blood Clot to Ben: "Ben run the Z-split, gap 3, 42 push"
Ben to Blood Clot: "Sorry Bruce, I'm in the middle of something here and can't hear too good. Not sure where you are but I can't talk right now. I'll call ya when I'm not so busy. Nothing personal you understand."

[IronCity__Man Profile]

I would like to see us go with what many people have described above - if Arians refuses to use a fullback then spread them out and draw play them. Arians wants to be the Patriots but then does not use the fundamental ingredients.

Many people forget that Mendenhall excelled at Illinois because they ran the spread offense. We bring him in and try to make him the Bus. He may never be a power back regardless of size. Spread them out and let him pick his holes off the draw. I wish we could line up with the power I but it "aint" gonna happen.

Great line of posts on this thread.

[StillMill Profile]

My apologies to Dirt for my tardiness......was out and about on Fri. and Sat. and just reviewed my email. His astute article is on the front page and also is linked here on the board.

Mill

[lloydgreene Profile]

Someone with a more strategica offensive concept might help me here:

If BB is calling no-huddle stuff and it is 98% pass AND we keep opposing "D" on the field to tire them out, (which we clearly did in late 4th qtr & OT), don't the draw plays and RB screens begin to open up as the DB's chase Hines and Co. downfield. This would gain yds, eat up time, keep 'em guessing, and KEEP BRUCE "BLOOD CLOT" ARIANS out of it?
If we keep those guys on the field, they're chasing FWP, Mendy, et al, as well trying to cover our WR's, this has to create problems. Even if it is 5-7 yds at a time, KEEP US OUT OF 3rd downs where Bruce has to come onto this planet and get in the game.

Help me here lloyd, Mill, Iron, etc. but I run out of expletives watching some of these "offensive" performances.

Our offense is QUITE OFFENSIVE (to me, personally that is!)

Just a quick point. Our special teams sucked Cowher's first year and he fired the special teams coach after the season. He held him accountable. Why does Coach Tomlin not do the same. I guess it would not make sense to fire a Super Bowl winning coach, is all I can think of. EXCEPT Arians did jack squat to help us win the s.b. BR7 won that game despite Air-ians, not because of him.

Bring back the Whis... or Earhardt... anyone but Arians.

[Pommah Profile]

I agree with Mckeesrock above. In NE, the RB is probably getting more touches in draws and swing-outs than direct handoffs.

Has anybody noticed we can't run a draw play for shit lately? I'd like to see how Mendy does on a well formed and executed draw play.

[Pump-N-Iron Profile]

The Patriots gave up on running the ball a few years back.

It's just a natural adaptation of INTELLIGENT Off. Coordinators. NFL defenses have taken to stacking a giant immovable wall of meat at the D-Line, making it pointless to try to plow through the middle (even though it is pointless, some obtuse OCs like to try it 30 times a game anyway). So pitches, swing passes and screens are essentially long hand-offs. Not only does it get your back out in space with blockers, but it has the added effect of making the fat-ass D-Linemen run sideline to sideline. Thus, late in the game they get tired and are easier to block.

[steelcitymetal Profile]

how about a fuckin pitch to parker left or right.

why are they so stubborn on making him run between the tackles????????????

i just don't get it.