View topic - BS officiating on goalline with Santonio

[toomuchmerrilhoge Profile]

Ok, I have to admit I'm still fuming about the 'incomplete pass' with Holmes. WTF? He caught it, made a 'football move' (aka two steps, which to me indicated that the pass was complete at that point) and then lost possession when his elbow hit the ground. How is that a fucking incomplete pass? Officiating sucked all-around. The bs pass interference call on McFadden, the roughing the punter (which was a classic 'make-up'). For all the money and resources that the NFL has, is it really that hard to get decent officiating?
Oh well, fuck it. Despite the officials best efforts, and to the chagrin of Simms and Nantz (who were CLEARLY praying for the Steelers to lose the entire broadcast), we beat murdering Ray Lewis and his band of thugs. Looks like a lot of those clowns are free-agents now any way. Baltimore will be hard-pressed to have the same caliber of defense next year.



GO STEELERS!

[SteelTank Profile]

YEp, Im waiting for the NFL office to clarify this - He actually took three steps and dove... If this isn't a catch by anyone's definition then I don't what is.

But, the rule states, posession with two feet and a football move is a catch.

I want an apology from the NFL on this one.

[madtowndrunkard Profile]

Holmes didn't just take two steps. He learned foward, put his hand to the ground, and lunged towards the goal line. The ball clearly popped out after hitting the ground.

What is most disturbing is that an NFL official would watch that replay in slo motion and over turn the call.

That official needs to be suspended immediately and a formal 3rd party investigation should be made. He didn't just start watching football yesterday.

I've lost all faith in the integrity of the officiating after seeing the refs take away a last second TD earlier in the season that just happened to profit the casino's around $300million due to the point spread and that clearly bogus call.

I can understand mistakes being made, but after reviewing replays, and talking with your other officials you still make an absolutely rediculous call...it can be nothing less then corruption. If an official is truly that incompetent then he should be fired anyway.

Other sports have been tainted by fixed games and paid off officials....it would be naive to think the biggest $ game on earth couldn't be fixed. Put your self in the officials shoes... you make maybe $100K a year? Someone offers you a couple million to be wired into an off shore bank account....for your efforts to miniplate a game? A game in the grand scheme of things really means little. I'm guessing there are plenty of people out there who would take that risk and lose little sleep over it.

[darthsteel Profile]

simms exsplained the rule , what part dont you understand?

[toomuchmerrilhoge Profile]

simms exsplained the rule , what part dont you understand?

I don't understand how possession plus taking two steps is not a reception.

[madtowndrunkard Profile]

It is a reception. He established control of the ball and made a move w/ both feet touching the ground (plus his hand touched the ground to push off which by nfl rules is also considered a step)

[darthsteel Profile]

simms exsplained the rule , what part dont you understand?

I don't understand how possession plus taking two steps is not a reception.

you have to have control of the ball when you hit the ground if its not touched(stripped) by the defender, if the defender strips it after a "football move" its a live ball,if its stripped prior to the football move its a incomplete pass. It is a stupid rule , but the refs got it rite.

[toomuchmerrilhoge Profile]

Well, we could go back and forth, and I understand why the ref applied his interpretation of the rule. To me, since he had control and took two steps (ie a football move), at that point, it's a reception. The fact that he fell down and then lost control occurred after he already established possession. Seems like if you had 10 different officials look at the same scenario, you could come up with several interpretations and several outcomes, which is what really bothers me.

[Teegre Profile]

simms exsplained the rule , what part dont you understand?

True, but Simms loves the Ravens.
Seriously, he went on & on (& on) about them. It was a little sickening.

[dracula in cleats Profile]

but it was NOT stripped...and if the fumble counts as the strip...that was the football hitting the ground (at which point it should be a td)...there is No way the rule is applicable to this play...it was a catch...

[Coke Oven Profile]

I demand to know precisely how many millimeters of motion after the catch constitutes a football move. These rules keep getting more and more absurd.

[Hagerstown Steelman Profile]

Close call and I do think the refs got it right per the rule book.

Tonio should have just maintained possession instead of the lunge and we would have had first and goal at the 1-2 yd line. However, it is hard to criticize someone for making the extra effort.

Tonio is becoming a handful for teams to account for. Ben missed him on a slant that would have been 6 against SD. Ben just missed on a deep post in the SD game as well. Plus you had this play and how about the play Tonio got mugged in the endzone and no flag was thrown.

He could have 3-4 more TD's in the post season. This is fine. I see him having a huge game in the Super Bowl.

[smheart78 Profile]

No. The refs got this wrong. The ground also did not cause the fumble, the refs called an incomplete pass because Santonio was losing control of the ball (had lost control of the ball) before he hit the ground. The problem with this is that most of us see this correctly and the refs didn't. He didn't simply come to the ground or fall to the ground after the catch, in which he would need to maintain possession throughout. He made a football move.
Catch,
two feet down,
a lunge towards the goal line-a football move,
bringing a hand to the ground to push off - a football move.
Then losing control of the ball a split second before hitting the ground because he extended his arm away from his body (another football move).

simms exsplained the rule , what part dont you understand?

I don't understand how possession plus taking two steps is not a reception.

you have to have control of the ball when you hit the ground if its not touched(stripped) by the defender, if the defender strips it after a "football move" its a live ball,if its stripped prior to the football move its a incomplete pass. It is a stupid rule , but the refs got it rite.

No defender was involved in the play and the strip/control loss was obviously after the football move(s).

Of those three football moves mentioned above, at least one should have been used to identify it as a catch. I agree with SteelTank, need an apoligy from the NFL for that one.

[steelcitymetal Profile]

That official needs to be suspended immediately and a formal 3rd party investigation should be made. He didn't just start watching football yesterday.

if i heard correctly during the pregame, this was his last game before retirement

edit: yep... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Carollo

In August 2008, Carollo announced he would retire as an NFL referee at the end of the 2008 NFL season to become the Director of Officiating for the Big Ten Conference.[9] His final assignment was for the AFC Championship game between the Pittsburgh Steelers and the Baltimore Ravens on January 18, 2009.

[JimPgh1 Profile]

simms exsplained the rule , what part dont you understand?

True, but Simms loves the Ravens.
Seriously, he went on & on (& on) about them. It was a little sickening.

He went on & on about both teams. Maybe you had your ears closed when he praised Ben, our "D" and TP.

[LambertoCincoOcho Profile]

he broke the plane of the end zone before losing possession IMO. At worst we have a fumble recovered in THE end zone .......

[Teegre Profile]

He went on & on about both teams. Maybe you had your ears closed when he praised Ben, our "D" and TP.

1) It was not until the very end, when the Steelers had clinched the victory.

2) When he did praise Troy, he HAD to mention that Ed Reed. Seriously!?! What did Ed Reed have to do with Troy's interception?

[McLovin Profile]

simms exsplained the rule , what part dont you understand?

True, but Simms loves the Ravens.
Seriously, he went on & on (& on) about them. It was a little sickening.

How high were you during the game? Simms did ok announcing he's an unbiased announcer who calls it like he sees it. No more pathetic fan than the ones who think the announcers root against their team.

[Teegre Profile]

How high were you during the game? Simms did ok announcing he's an unbiased announcer who calls it like he sees it. No more pathetic fan than the ones who think the announcers root against their team.

Again, I am usually a Simms/Nance fan...but, they were droning on about the Ravens, in a game where the Ravens did essentially nothing. Both of Baltimore's touchdowns were set up by "ticky-tack" PI calls...yet, Simms was talking like the game was going Baltimore's way.

Here is one, for example:
The Ravens had gone punt, INT, punt on their first three drives...and Simms says, "The Ravens have the Steelers right where they want them."
[Note: Four plays later, the Ravens turned it over on downs.]

By the way, did you forget which account you signed in with...because, strangely, your "McLovin thinks" third person schtick is mysteriously missing from your post.

[dracula in cleats Profile]

I hummed Defense or Stillers to myself when Simms started talking...it kept me from hearing his stupidity...he is really bad!

Go Stillers