View topic - Who is ultimately responsible for this mess?

[bigjoespompano Profile]

Look, we are playing like turds and the problem HAS to be somewhere. Can't blame the injuries as that is a part of the game. It sucks but it's not something anyone can control. The players? No, i don't believe so. This is Pittsburgh, not Dallas. Nobody quits here. I believe everyone is out to win and never intentionally lets down. The coaches? Well, yes but not totally. Agreed, we have an Alzheimer's Patient on one side and the fat kid who rides the short bus on the other but WHO is responsible for them? The H.C.? Well, yes and no. He appears happy to let our two idiot coordinators run the games into the ground. But SOMEBODY is letting him get away with this. SOMEBODY is NOT stepping in and sitting his ass down and demanding changes. Same slop and slather each and every week. I honestly believe this mess goes right to Rooney's door. HE is ultimately responsible for everything that goes on in the organization. Would this have been allowed to occur if the old man were still running things? I don't think so for a minute. He was a football mind. His son appears to be more of a political animal. More concerned with getting his picture taken with the mayor and other dignitaries then getting into the nuts & bolts of the team. What do you think?

[Coke Oven Profile]

I think that you are exactly right. But you shouldn't be surprised. What the fuck else can we expect out of a fucking lawyer? They're all educated sleaze.

[Pommah Profile]

It's not a mess - yet. Sure we're worried because this is how it started last year. But for this game:

1. Short practice week after tough divisional road game
2. Makeshift O-line
3. Makeshift D-line
4. Clutch receiver out early
5. Top linebacker out early
6. Another top linebacker didn't practice all week
7. Playing a good team coming off a humiliating loss - high motivation

Sometimes good teams get tooled. I admire the Giants, their organization, the way they play. They got tooled by the Cowboys. Saints, Pats both got beat by the Clowns. The Packers, another solid team and great organization, have lost some games they shouldn't have.

This week will tell alot though. Raiders are getting their act together but there is no way they should win.

[r1stillerman Profile]

Rooney for hiring Tomlin.

[SteelPower Profile]

Rooney for hiring Tomlin.

I agree with that Stillerman. Let's take the best coach that fits the "Rooney Rule" not the best coach for the job.

[IronCity__Man Profile]

[quote="bigjoespompano"]I honestly believe this mess goes right to Rooney's door. HE is ultimately responsible for everything that goes on in the organization. Would this have been allowed to occur if the old man were still running things? I don't think so for a minute. quote]

I knew bigjoe would find a way to blame Obama. Just having fun with ya bigjoe.

[PGHeaven Profile]

Look, we are playing like turds and the problem HAS to be somewhere. Can't blame the injuries as that is a part of the game. It sucks but it's not something anyone can control. The players? No, i don't believe so. This is Pittsburgh, not Dallas. Nobody quits here. I believe everyone is out to win and never intentionally lets down. The coaches? Well, yes but not totally. Agreed, we have an Alzheimer's Patient on one side and the fat kid who rides the short bus on the other but WHO is responsible for them? The H.C.? Well, yes and no. He appears happy to let our two idiot coordinators run the games into the ground. But SOMEBODY is letting him get away with this. SOMEBODY is NOT stepping in and sitting his ass down and demanding changes. Same slop and slather each and every week. I honestly believe this mess goes right to Rooney's door. HE is ultimately responsible for everything that goes on in the organization. Would this have been allowed to occur if the old man were still running things? I don't think so for a minute. He was a football mind. His son appears to be more of a political animal. More concerned with getting his picture taken with the mayor and other dignitaries then getting into the nuts & bolts of the team. What do you think?

I think that the moment Dan Rooney thanked Obama on the fucking super bowl dias we started swirling down the toilet

[thesteelhammer Profile]

I think more blame should be placed on Kevin Colbert.
He has not brought in enough talent on the Lines.
The O-line needed several starting quality players this off season, we got 1.
We especially needed help at OT and that was before Colon when down. Now both starting OT's aren't guys who where suppose to start.

The D-line continues to age & Aaron Smith is no longer durable. Hood whiel not yet a bust, is also not yet a starting quality DE.

[r1stillerman Profile]

Look, we are playing like turds and the problem HAS to be somewhere. Can't blame the injuries as that is a part of the game. It sucks but it's not something anyone can control. The players? No, i don't believe so. This is Pittsburgh, not Dallas. Nobody quits here. I believe everyone is out to win and never intentionally lets down. The coaches? Well, yes but not totally. Agreed, we have an Alzheimer's Patient on one side and the fat kid who rides the short bus on the other but WHO is responsible for them? The H.C.? Well, yes and no. He appears happy to let our two idiot coordinators run the games into the ground. But SOMEBODY is letting him get away with this. SOMEBODY is NOT stepping in and sitting his ass down and demanding changes. Same slop and slather each and every week. I honestly believe this mess goes right to Rooney's door. HE is ultimately responsible for everything that goes on in the organization. Would this have been allowed to occur if the old man were still running things? I don't think so for a minute. He was a football mind. His son appears to be more of a political animal. More concerned with getting his picture taken with the mayor and other dignitaries then getting into the nuts & bolts of the team. What do you think?

I think that the moment Dan Rooney thanked Obama on the fucking super bowl dias we started swirling down the toilet

This is true!

[steelandblood Profile]

Yes, ultimately the issue stops with ownership. It's been illustrated in the worst-case scenarios that have panned out with control freaks like Jerry Jones and Al Davis. The Rooneys certainly aren't wallowing in the depths that the aforementioned owners are, but lets take a look at why those of you who want to run that man who coached our team to #6 with no o line or running backs out of town need to get off Tomlin's shit.

1)Since ownership sets the tone, ultimately, it is they who have cut Tomlin off at the knees in dealing with Dick LeBeau's refusal to call defense according to the reality before him. He came in with his offensive and defensive coordinators picked out for him by Dan and Art Rooney II. As we can see, it's apparent Tomlin can't hire and fire his own staff. It's not his fault. Cowher has complete sway over who his assistants were, with the exception of Dick Hoak, who was a running backs coach and did not call the offensive plays during a game. Blaming Tomlin at this point given the situation he was hired into pretty much just shows cracker ignorance. We won't know what Tomlin really wants until he' given the ability to shitcan mongoloid OC's and bullheaded DC's who should amicably be allowed to retire once they've shown they can't cut it.

2)The assertion that things would be fucking perfect if Dan Rooney had not accepted the ambassadorship to Ireland is absurd once you look at the facts.

a)During the 2003 season, Dan officially ceded control of daily football operations to his son Art II, but stipulated he would still be the final word on major decisions.

b)Dan Rooney is the guy who refused to pay players a competitive wage in the early 80's, which is why we lost players like Cliff Stoudt and Jimmie Smith to the USFL. Rooney also refused to draft Dan Marino because he did a little nose candy at Pitt and you know how that panned out. He refused to draft Marc Spindler, opting instead for combine baby sack o' shit Aaron Jones. He let Noll cut Duane Board. Throughout most of the 80's we had no money players on offense and only one offensive lineman worth a damn in Mike Webster, plus an invisible defensive line. In 2002, after Cowher had three AFCC chokes and one conference title under his belt, plus an entire year in which his defense (run by Cowher's boy Tim Lewis) got shredded, St. Dan lauded Cowher for what he considered one of the best seasons Chinzilla ever coached. Oh, and then he gave Cowher a job for life. Cowher hadn't done anything except choke and lose when it mattered most for 11 seasons. After that we all remember 2003. Also, throughout the 80's, 90's and the early part of the last decade Rooney got rid of numerous talented players that would have stayed longer had winning world championships been a top priority--players like Tim Johnson, Orpheus Roye, Earl Holmes, and Rod Woodson to name a few.

c)From mid-2003 onward, after Art II ran the team the following things happened: we finally got our hands on a top flight qb in the draft and we won two superbowls.

Perfect overall? No. As I said Art II needs to give Tomlin the innate authority a football coach should have to control who his coordinators are. It's certainly not perfect but good enough you can't whimper that all would be totally great if Dan still actively ran the organization.

[steelwest Profile]

Colbert. The Urbik and K. Lewis picks are killing us. So is Tony Hills, Frank Summers, etc.

Oh, and we cannot draft a nickel corner or a strong safety to save our lives.