View topic - Harrison's hit on Cribbs.

[SteelThatDon'tRust Profile]

I have to say it: that hit was some low down, classes and needlessly reckless BS. Harrison looked up, knew the angle he had, and rather than wrapping Cribbs up (who was already on his way down) decided to lead with his helmut. Thoughts?

[38Steel Profile]

No Flag, Hard Hit yeah well it is Football the way steeler fans expect the game to be played don't know what you saw but I did not see anything Low about it. He is just playing the Game Hard the way it should be played, Helmets make contact just a fact of the sport, that is why they wear them.

[stillgoingstrong Profile]

He wasn't a defenseless receiver, he was a ball carrier. No discussion. Clean hit, resulted in fumble. Don't run the ball against the steelers if you don't want to get hit like that. Chris johnson did the same pussy footin' against us and had his bell rocked for a fumble as well by timmons on his way to the dirt. This is a rough sport, not two hand touch. There are no flags to pull at the waist. Calling that a low bs hit = calling real football, including the football we love the most in pittsburgh reminiscent of the 70's style, cheap and dirty. I loved it, and I loved the hit he laid on massaquoi. I wouldn't ask him to play any different.

[indysteel Profile]

Agree.

However, I would expect Harrison gets a fine from the NFL on this. Not saying it's right.

[Pommah Profile]

Looked to me like Harrison needlessly lowered and led with his helmet against both Cribbs and the receiver. The game happens fast and its hard to always tell but I expect the flags to come out faster for Harrison next time.

[stillgoingstrong Profile]

oh no doubt he will get a fine, he has gotten more than a few for plays in which no foul was called. Business as usual for the nfl. I say start a donation account for these guys, i'd gladly pay a dollar or two for them to continue playing and hitting hard every week. it's asking so much for them to play physical, but not too physical. It's a contact sport. I know the league is all gung ho about player protection, but seriously if they were they wouldn't dare go to 18 games. They set all these rules for player protection to protect offenses and keep the game a point driven, QB, brady-manning love fest marketability dollar machine, not to mention all the $$ they get by handing out fines to players each year. I would hate it if the NFL turned into suchy a pansy league that you would get fined for big hits. The same league that sells this http://www.amazon.com/NFL-Moment-Impact ... pd_sim_v_1 is trying to fine players for making the very same hits and plays they profit from. So they make money both ways, fine the players for making the hits and then and put them in the greatest hits dvd. gay...

[rick723 Profile]

I have to say it: that hit was some low down, classes and needlessly reckless BS. Harrison looked up, knew the angle he had, and rather than wrapping Cribbs up (who was already on his way down) decided to lead with his helmut. Thoughts?

He's a ball carrier, he got hit. If Harrison tries to hit him easy and he rips off 30 yards, you call harrison a pu**y. Some of you guys just NEED to be negative

[SteelThatDon'tRust Profile]

I'm not looking for things to b e negative about. I'm considering the necessity of the way Harrison decided to attack the ball carrier—and I'm sayin' it wasn't necessary. Easily could've just wrapped him up. Do I think Harrison should be suspended? Hell no. Do I think he should be more, err, considerate? In a situation like that, absolutely. That wasn't just helmut to helmut it was a blindside lead in with the helmut. Looked like he could've damn near killed the guy for Christ's sake. Yes it's football. Those guys are still human beings. I'll stop being a "nancy" about it I guess.

[stillgoingstrong Profile]

How he decided to attack the ball carrier led to a fumble, simply wrapping him up and then being a good sport and patting him on the ass after the play is pussy ball. In harrison's defense there was an o-lineman blocking his view right before the collision so he decided to just blow through where he knew cribbs would be. just so happened it was cribbs head that got the full brunt of the hit.

[Fire Arians Profile]

you go 100% on every play. harrison's 100% is just more violent than most, which is probably a good reason why he's regularly a defensive MVP candidate

and no you can't say that hit was unnecessary. i'd much rather see him draw fines than see him give up on plays that end up burning the team. for the record cribbs was a runner on that play meaning he's free game. the other wr he knocked out was perfectly legal also, once you make a football move = not a defenseless receiver anymore

[steelandblood Profile]

It was a legal hit and he was a ballcarrier. Honestly, some of the hits Harrison and others have been fined for, are really no more than just tough hits. It's who's receiving them that decides the fine. That's wrong *and* bad for football.

[Pump-N-Iron Profile]

The difference is that Cribbs is a receiver, not an RB. RBs are used to getting pounded 20-30 times a game. They know to protect themselves when they start going down, since some rabid LB is lining them up for a big KO. Cribbs was trying to break a tackle and get more yards, rather than protect himself. He learned this lesson the hard way. I am willing to bet he runs differently in the future.

The Massaquoi hit was perfectly clean and legal. This was a case of his Rookie QB hanging him out to dry.

[hatethebrowns Profile]

you go 100% on every play. harrison's 100% is just more violent than most, which is probably a good reason why he's regularly a defensive MVP candidate

and no you can't say that hit was unnecessary. i'd much rather see him draw fines than see him give up on plays that end up burning the team. for the record cribbs was a runner on that play meaning he's free game. the other wr he knocked out was perfectly legal also, once you make a football move = not a defenseless receiver anymore

AMEN

if harry was playing pussy ball we would be bitching about how he doesnt hit people hard enough but since he is keeping the training staff for the other team working overtime i say KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK. When we play the clowns again to you think cribbs is going to be as quick to try and break a tackle i would think that he will be a little less apt to run in harrys direction also to you really think that Massaquoi or what ever the hell his name is wants to run a crossing route knowing that harrys out to make him pay.

I hope that all teams that run the wild cat or something like it say we better revamp the play book when the black and gold come to town

[steelslep Profile]

No one likes to see a guy on his back, motionless...Yeah, brutal game but look at the kid from Rutgers laying in ICU paralyzed...Yes, he went in with his head down but no one likes to see that...Both hits by Harrison were brutal...legal? Subjective...no flags on either one but Goodell will be calling...I love Harrison and loves his reckless abandon but lemme ask you this...if that was Randel-El instead of Cribbs and Wallace instead of Massaquoi, would you feel the same way??

[Fire Arians Profile]

No one likes to see a guy on his back, motionless...Yeah, brutal game but look at the kid from Rutgers laying in ICU paralyzed...Yes, he went in with his head down but no one likes to see that...Both hits by Harrison were brutal...legal? Subjective...no flags on either one but Goodell will be calling...I love Harrison and loves his reckless abandon but lemme ask you this...if that was Randel-El instead of Cribbs and Wallace instead of Massaquoi, would you feel the same way??

It's part of the game. would I like it? of course not. But I understand what football is all about. A few years back, the safety for the bengals totally laid out santonio on a crossing pattern which was almost as bad as harrison's hit (maybe even worse because that safety jumped into the hit, harrison didn't). I didn't like it one bit but that's football, it's a violent sport.

[stillgoingstrong Profile]

"You don't want to injure people. I don't want to injure anybody," Harrison said. "But I'm not opposed to hurting anybody."

Apparently, his teammates aren't, either.

"He's a beast," Ward said of the 2008 Defensive Player of the Year. "When you see him knocking guys out, you know he's a man on a mission. You don't want to see guys get hurt, but he set the tempo for us."

I love it! DEEBO!

[steelandblood Profile]

No one likes to see a guy on his back, motionless...Yeah, brutal game but look at the kid from Rutgers laying in ICU paralyzed...Yes, he went in with his head down but no one likes to see that...Both hits by Harrison were brutal...legal? Subjective...no flags on either one but Goodell will be calling...I love Harrison and loves his reckless abandon but lemme ask you this...if that was Randel-El instead of Cribbs and Wallace instead of Massaquoi, would you feel the same way??

It's part of the game. would I like it? of course not. But I understand what football is all about. A few years back, the safety for the bengals totally laid out santonio on a crossing pattern which was almost as bad as harrison's hit (maybe even worse because that safety jumped into the hit, harrison didn't). I didn't like it one bit but that's football, it's a violent sport.

For the record I'm glad Cribbs didn't sustain any life-threatening injuries, and I really don't hop up and down for joy when an opposing player is laying motionless. Now when Cribbs was able to get up and walk off then I was all about cheering the feral intensity that Harrison brings to his game. And hey, it was good hustle by Cribbs to get all the yards he could even though he *knew* somebody at some point would try to knock the decals off his helmet. It's interesting to note that very few times have we had a player taken out of the game for getting his bell rung but the opposition has over the last few seasons.

[smheart78 Profile]

I came to the this conclusion about the Massaquoi hit. What is Deebo to do? The pass got to Massy and he took at least 3 steps before Deebo got to him, TURN YOUR F'IN HEAD AROUND!! Massy ended up bobbling the pass a little bit which took his intention away from the defender and onto the ball. That should not be Harrison's fault, should Deebo wait until the recevier firmly controls the ball and then decides to turn his head around before he should hit him?
That is what the league would be saying if he is suspended.
Don't give me the going after the head argument either. I read an article that indicates that Massy knew the hit was coming and started to go down (duck) to protect himself, which put his head lower to accept Harrison's hit. I, as with all Steeler fans, full well believe Harrison when he said 'he could have hit Massy a LOT harder' on the play, he let up a little.
At the end of the day, I would accept a fine, because I believe they are given out to injury inducing player, regardless of intent/rule breaking, simply for the safety of the game. Which helped in this case, as Deebo let up on the hit.

[SteelThatDon'tRust Profile]

I haven't been able to watch any replays of the hit and, as with any good car wreck, folks remember the collision and the particulars surrounding its occurrence differently. My initial reaction was due to the replay. I saw Cribbs already leaning down low to the ground because he was in fact being tackled. Harrison's vision of the scene did not look at all obstructed to me. Looked to me that Harrison saw Cribbs already going to the ground and the angle and lowered his helmut any way. If my remembrance is incorrect, then my reaction to the hit is incorrect. If so, I freely admit it. Note I have said nothing about wishing Harrison would not be such a head hunter. Nope. I'm saying this particular instance and this particular instance alone was fucked up. I still say it. Cheers.

[Pommah Profile]

STDR, you and I are in the minority here. I have seen the replays, and to my mind Harrison is lowering and leading with the helmet in both cases. It seems to me other 'backers are able to play tough and not get into trouble like he does. He's gonna get suspended now too because his remarks have painted a target on his back for Goodell to make an example of.