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[MDSteelersFan Profile]

I gave up on this site 10 years ago because of the overload of negativity evidenced by this weeks poll that doesn't even allow for a chance that the Steelers can stop the Vikes offense this week. It's one thing to crap on Woodley when he deserves it - which he has (though he had a much better game last Sunday than "Still Mill" would ever admit). It's getting a bit algorish with the Arians BS (seeing as how Ben is on pace to throw for 5,000 yards, Hines is leading the league in receiving, Santonio is looking at his first 1,000 yard season and BOTH our rookie 3rd receiver AND our tight end are on pace for 800+ yards!)

It's way past over the top to trash the entire D and imply that they have no chance at stopping AP and the senior citizen QB this week.

Here are some pertinent stats:

Vikings total yards vs. #28 Detroit (265), vs. #30 St. Louis (377) & vs. #32 Cleveland (310) – averaged a whopping 317 yards per game in offense (175 passing, 142 rushing). This is slightly less than the league average versus terrible team defenses.

Steelers total yards vs #28 Detroit (335), vs. #31 Tennessee (357) & vs. #32 Cleveland (543) – averaged 412 ypg (316 passing, 95 rushing). This includes our stellar rushing effort of 36 yards in week 1. This is significantly above the league averages versus terrible team defenses (as it should be.)

The best defense the Vikes have faced is the #8 Packers who yielded them 334 yards (271 passing and 63 rushing). League average single game offensive output = 331 yards (219-112).

The Steelers and Packers have faced 3 common opponents (Bears, Bengals and Lions). The stat lines vs. the Bears and Bengals are virtually identical. The Pack completely shut down the Lions which the Steelers failed to do, thus the averages favor the Lions and an argument can be made that supports the idea that the Vikes will manhandle the Steelers defense. But it is hardly a given especially when you consider the Pack got the Lions at Lambeau and we get the Vikes at Heinz Field.

Bottom line is the Vikings are a very average offense (#13 overall) with an aging QB and a running game that should be ashamed to be ranked #9 in the league with AP in the backfield.

[frankensmith91 Profile]

my knock against the coaching staff last week is why they kept taking mendenhall out of the game for parker when the drives were moving. ever notice every time they put in willie the drive stalled?

mendenhall is the best RB for this steelers offense. he's a stronger runner, better pass blocker, and a receiving threat out of the backfield. willie sucks in all 3 of these categories. sure he can run fast in a straight line, but what's the sense if he can never find the hole? this is football, not track & field.

edit: about the vikings, they're a solid team but I don't think they win in our house. favre has always struggled when playing in pittsburgh also. my only worry is adrian peterson, after losing aaron smith. this will be a huge test for our backup DE's and will tell us if they really can handle the job filling in for smith. If AP is held in check, i don't see the steelers losing. favre won't do it alone against our D with troy back in the lineup. As great as favre was in his career, at this point in time, big ben is the better QB so i don't think they beat us in a shootout scenario either.

[SteelPower Profile]

I gave up on this site 10 years ago

If you gave up on this site then what are you doing back here? If you see nothing wrong with the way this defense has played this season and you love BA go back to your fantasy land and leave us hard core fans be. There has been no indication that this defense can play anywhere close to last years level and therefore the poll is appropriate in not giving them a chance. Until there is play on the field that resembles a champion neagativity will abound.

[MDSteelersFan Profile]

"If you gave up on this site then what are you doing back here? If you see nothing wrong with the way this defense has played this season and you love BA go back to your fantasy land and leave us hard core fans be. There has been no indication that this defense can play anywhere close to last years level and therefore the poll is appropriate in not giving them a chance. Until there is play on the field that resembles a champion neagativity will abound."

What do you care why I came back? It's obvious you are unable to digest, let alone refute any of my points. Maybe that's why you care.

For the record I never said that I saw "nothing wrong with the way this defense has played". I also never said that I "love BA." And clearly the only thing "hard core" about you is your fat head. (No, I'm not talking about all the life-sized fairy stickers on your basement wall.)

What I said was that the Vikings offense was nothing special. And I provided stats that prove it. What I said was that the 2009 Steelers offense is putting up bigger numbers than any Steelers team that came before (including six World Champions). Again, the stats are all there for any moron (including you) to see.

You're no hard-core fan, you're just an old geezer that gets one last chance with a young hottie but blows it because he can't see his own hard dick through his fat beer belly.

[Coke Oven Profile]

"You're no hard-core fan, you're just an old geezer that gets one last chance with a young hottie but blows it because he can't see his own hard dick through his fat beer belly."

Now, now, don't be a geezerphobe.

[Incursus Profile]

I've been reading shit here less and less as well. I think it's pretty apparent that Mill just picks out specific individuals, and shits all over their performance regardless of how well they perform. I'm convinced that Farrior could have one of the best games of his career, and half of his grade would still be lists of plays where he was soloed blocked or out of position. It's funny that when Woodley or Farrior blow coverage, it's their fault...whereas if Harrison blows coverage, then it's Dick's fault for having Harrison cover someone. I think it's pretty obvious by now that the only LB in our corps that should even be attempting man coverage is Timmons - Farrior may be somewhat serviceable in zone coverage, but he still lost a step as expected. When it's all said and done, he's still more valuable to our team than most LBs around the league.

Negativity is still expected. Our formerly #1 defense blows ass in the second half, particularly in the 4th quarter this year. Dick has also failed to adjust our defense much over the past few years, seemingly content with how we've performed. Either way, there is much around here anymore that is truly objective, considering that more time is spent bitching about the negative rather than providing accurate analysis.

[oldschoolhunkie Profile]

Welcome back Md man.. we need some more people stirring the pot around here.

[SteelBeach Profile]

Welcome back Md man.. we need some more people stirring the pot around here.

Gonna have to agree here. I bitched about the negativity last season when, OH YEAH, we won the super bowl, and got a 'warning' that if I continued pointing out that the season was going well, I'd be banned.

[Homestead Eddie Profile]

I love everyone, and I'll kill the next guy that says I don't. I also hate negativity.

[steelcitymetal Profile]

It's getting a bit algorish with the Arians BS (seeing as how Ben is on pace to throw for 5,000 yards, Hines is leading the league in receiving, Santonio is looking at his first 1,000 yard season and BOTH our rookie 3rd receiver AND our tight end are on pace for 800+ yards!)

i've noticed the anti-arians talk diminish greatly.

[lloydgreene Profile]

I gave up on this site 10 years ago because of the overload of negativity evidenced by this weeks poll that doesn't even allow for a chance that the Steelers can stop the Vikes offense this week. It's one thing to crap on Woodley when he deserves it - which he has (though he had a much better game last Sunday than "Still Mill" would ever admit). It's getting a bit algorish with the Arians BS (seeing as how Ben is on pace to throw for 5,000 yards, Hines is leading the league in receiving, Santonio is looking at his first 1,000 yard season and BOTH our rookie 3rd receiver AND our tight end are on pace for 800+ yards!)

It's way past over the top to trash the entire D and imply that they have no chance at stopping AP and the senior citizen QB this week.

Here are some pertinent stats:

Vikings total yards vs. #28 Detroit (265), vs. #30 St. Louis (377) & vs. #32 Cleveland (310) – averaged a whopping 317 yards per game in offense (175 passing, 142 rushing). This is slightly less than the league average versus terrible team defenses.

Steelers total yards vs #28 Detroit (335), vs. #31 Tennessee (357) & vs. #32 Cleveland (543) – averaged 412 ypg (316 passing, 95 rushing). This includes our stellar rushing effort of 36 yards in week 1. This is significantly above the league averages versus terrible team defenses (as it should be.)

The best defense the Vikes have faced is the #8 Packers who yielded them 334 yards (271 passing and 63 rushing). League average single game offensive output = 331 yards (219-112).

The Steelers and Packers have faced 3 common opponents (Bears, Bengals and Lions). The stat lines vs. the Bears and Bengals are virtually identical. The Pack completely shut down the Lions which the Steelers failed to do, thus the averages favor the Lions and an argument can be made that supports the idea that the Vikes will manhandle the Steelers defense. But it is hardly a given especially when you consider the Pack got the Lions at Lambeau and we get the Vikes at Heinz Field.

Bottom line is the Vikings are a very average offense (#13 overall) with an aging QB and a running game that should be ashamed to be ranked #9 in the league with AP in the backfield.

MDSteelersFan,
I feel like I just got taken out to the woodshed, but damnit I respect your post!

When we lost, I thought Arians air-it-out philosphy contributed to the end result. Arians himself admitted to getting a little Greedy against the Chargers!

I have been unapologetic for my criticism of Arians, but I also give him credit where it is due: He turned the offense over to Ben and the no-huddle. In my opinion Ben's playmaking has outperformed Arians' playcalling.

I did not hit the panic button as some did when we were 1-2. The long season plays out the way it should. We still have the championship caliber team, although we were not playing up to standards.

I read the posts from those who wanted to fire LeBeau (#3 defense in the league), fire Arians (I jumped on that bandwagon for a while), bench Woodley (aka Gildong comparisons), switch woodley and timmons, bench farrior, play sweed, sit sweed, trade parker, bench mendy, and all the other changes that posters called for. For a 1-2 team that criticism is a normal thing. The only change they didn't call for is at QB.

While I have been critical of Arians, I tend to give the benefit of the doubt to the coaches who watch every practice and scrutinize game film.

Anway, your stats surprised me. I have gone on record suggesting that we will be 6-2 at the halfway point and we will see.... Many have called me names In any case, I have always shown faith that in a long season, our destiny was still in our hands. And I believe that we will rise to the challenge. Good to have you back on the board. Some rational thought backed with facts and stats is always welcome.

[HereWeGo Profile]

great post, md.

the only problem i have here is this :

Bottom line is the Vikings are a very average offense (#13 overall) with an aging QB and a running game that should be ashamed to be ranked #9 in the league with AP in the backfield.

see, you failed to mention that the steelers are a team that are beginning to find their cohesion offensively and returning their best player defensively.

in pittsburgh *or* minnesota. i can't foresee a vikings win. the smoke fizzles and the mirrors break. minnesota takes their first loss at the expense of us.

[MDSteelersFan Profile]

[quote="lloydgreene
MDSteelersFan,
I feel like I just got taken out to the woodshed, but damnit I respect your post! quote]

Thanks. I am in no way pleased with the way this team has "snatched defeat from the jaws of victory" against two lesser opponents. But I've also been following this team for a long time (almost 40 years). I remember the great teams of the 70s stinking up the stadium early in the season and going on to hoist the Lombardi trophy. I remember Bradshaw getting booed off the field. I remember booing.

Losing games a team should win early in the season can be a good thing if it motivates the players to correct their mistakes. That's what winners do, and there are a lot of winners on this team (players AND coaches). They still have to prove it on the field and the next three games give us that opportunity. We can dismiss three pretenders and re-assert ourselves as defending champions or......well, prove the detractors right.

Bring 'em on.

[smheart78 Profile]

Some rational thought backed with facts and stats is always welcome.

exactly,
Also, I love when our team beats undefeated teams...it's almost a given. I loved it when the undefeated Pats (6-0) came to town and we took them out 34-20 and the very next week we obliterated the undefeated Eagles(7-0) 27-3, but that was in '04, the year before our SB #5 when Ben was 15-1.... ....we should have 7.

[MDSteelersFan Profile]

Some rational thought backed with facts and stats is always welcome.

exactly,
Also, I love when our team beats undefeated teams...it's almost a given. I loved it when the undefeated Pats (6-0) came to town and we took them out 34-20 and the very next week we obliterated the undefeated Eagles(7-0) 27-3, but that was in '04, the year before our SB #5 when Ben was 15-1.... ....we should have 7.

I remember a Steelers team that started off 1-4, then rolled off ten straight victories by combined scores of 274-42. Those ten games included 5 shutouts and 3 more games where we held our opponent to 3,3 and 6 points. Franco and Rocky both rushed for 1,000 yards that year (in a 14-game season). That was the best Steelers team I ever saw.

Franco and Rocky were both injured and unable to play in the AFC Championship vs. the Raiders. Reggie Harrison and Frenchy Fuqua did their best, but it was not enough to beat the Snake & Company (that 15-1 Super Bowl Championship team included Biletnikoffk, Branch, Casper, Shell, Upshaw, Matuszak, Sistrunk, Hendricks, Atkinson and Tatum - but they would have been no match for a healthy Steelers squad looking to three-peat.)

We should have 8.

[smheart78 Profile]

Agreed, we should have 8...and I still hate Neil O'Donnel

[Steel Holiday Profile]

Agreed, we should have 8...and I still hate Neil O'Donnel

Maybe you should hate his parents. Naming your kid Neil O predestines him to blow the big one at some point. He never had a chance.

The Steelers and Packers have faced 3 common opponents (Bears, Bengals and Lions). The stat lines vs. the Bears and Bengals are virtually identical. The Pack completely shut down the Lions which the Steelers failed to do, thus the averages favor the Lions and an argument can be made that supports the idea that the Vikes will manhandle the Steelers defense. But it is hardly a given especially when you consider the Pack got the Lions at Lambeau and we get the Vikes at Heinz Field.

Glad to see you are filling up the board again MD! Remember that these games from the Steelers were without there most valuable defender. If and when Troy is healthly the Pittsburgh defense is soooo much better.

Bottom line is the Vikings are a very average offense (#13 overall) with an aging QB and a running game that should be ashamed to be ranked #9 in the league with AP in the backfield.

I don't forsee AP having a consistently productive day at Heinz field. Doesn't seem like the Minnesota passing attack is anything that the Steelers haven't been able to contain over the past couple seasons. This game appears to be a hard hitting defensive match up IMO. The Vikings 4 man front is about as tough as they come, but I like Pitt at home to come out on top. Another undefeated bites the dust at Heinz!!