View topic - HOF Consequences of a Steelers SB Win

[steelesm Profile]

Not to jump the gun, but if the Steelers win, is--

1) Ben in the HOF regardless of what he does the rest of his career?

2) Hines in the HOF (better career #'s than Swann or Stallworth)? If not, what if he is the SB MVP again?

For 1), I can't see a 2x SB winning QB not being inducted.

For 2), I think he is deserving, but he doesn't get the attention or put up the extreme stats that other current WRs do. I think another SB MVP would guarantee induction.

Interested in hearing some other thoughts.

[El Nino Profile]

Ben I'm sure would be a lock for the HOF if he wins 2+ superbowls. He's already well on his way for setting nearly every rookie QB record there is to be set (not only set the records but shattered a lot of the old ones by a long shot), and being the youngest qb to win a sb. Not to mention the rate at which he's racking up 4th quarter tying / winning drives will eventually be up there with elway

hines im not sure. i think eventually he will make it but wont be a first ballot. he's gotta get some extra points for being the type of receiver that actually bullies opposing db's

[Hagerstown Steelman Profile]

Ben would in my opinion depend on the rest of his career and the type of game he plays in the SB. In Super Bowl XL he was pretty pedestrian.

Hines is not a lock for the HOF either in my opinion and this is not to take anything away from him. Yes, he has better numbers than Swann/Stallworth but the game is different. You have to look at this numbers within the era he has played. If he retires now if would have to get in down the road as a veterans committee (or whatever that group is called in the NFL). He needs to play solid for about 2-3 more years to improve his odds.

I would not want another WR on our team but I don't think his numbers stand out in todays game.

[steelcitymetal Profile]

maybe not after this one, but ben will definitely be a lock after his third superbowl victory.

[steelblood14 Profile]

hines has 800 catches and 9780 yards, i think 10000 yards is pretty significant, and if he can play three more years and average 67 catches a year, he'll have a thousand. that'd definitely be HOF material.

but not to look at pure numbers, over the past 11 years, how many other wide recievers would you take ahead of hines? i think that is an important point to look at...i can only think of a couple...possibly none.

[catesinator Profile]

1) Ben is not a lock for the HOF after 5 seasons in the league. Not a chance no matter what he's accomplished. Phil Simms has two superbowl rings and he will never get into the HOF. With a 2nd superbowl victory I believe the media will see Ben as a top 5 QB in the league though. Not until Ben wins a 3rd title will he be an automatic lock.

2) I can already see there are varying opinions in the media about Ward's HOF chances. Peter King and Dr. Z, who both have votes, have said in the past he is unquestionably a HOFer. I was listening to Mike and Mike (who do not have votes) a couple mornings ago and they dismissed Ward's candidacy without even a discussion. So it seems those that really follow football closely are in Ward's corner, but those that don't aren't going to be easily convinced, which is what you would expect given that he plays in a small market and his best attributes as a player aren't stuff that shows up on a stat sheet. I think if Ward retired right now, ultimately he would end up in the HOF but he would have to wait a long time (maybe a decade) before he was inducted. If he can continue to post the numbers he put up this year over the next 3 seasons he will be in the top 15 in NFL history in catches, yards and TDs for wide receivers and that will aid his candidacy immensely.

I find it interesting no one is considering Troy Polamalu as a potential HOFer. Granted right now he wouldn't get in. But I believe the way his career is going he has an excellent chance to put together a very convincing resume.

[McLovin Profile]

1) Ben is not a lock for the HOF after 5 seasons in the league. Not a chance no matter what he's accomplished. Phil Simms has two superbowl rings and he will never get into the HOF. With a 2nd superbowl victory I believe the media will see Ben as a top 5 QB in the league though. Not until Ben wins a 3rd title will he be an automatic lock.

2) I can already see there are varying opinions in the media about Ward's HOF chances. Peter King and Dr. Z, who both have votes, have said in the past he is unquestionably a HOFer. I was listening to Mike and Mike (who do not have votes) a couple mornings ago and they dismissed Ward's candidacy without even a discussion. So it seems those that really follow football closely are in Ward's corner, but those that don't aren't going to be easily convinced, which is what you would expect given that he plays in a small market and his best attributes as a player aren't stuff that shows up on a stat sheet. I think if Ward retired right now, ultimately he would end up in the HOF but he would have to wait a long time (maybe a decade) before he was inducted. If he can continue to post the numbers he put up this year over the next 3 seasons he will be in the top 15 in NFL history in catches, yards and TDs for wide receivers and that will aid his candidacy immensely.

I find it interesting no one is considering Troy Polamalu as a potential HOFer. Granted right now he wouldn't get in. But I believe the way his career is going he has an excellent chance to put together a very convincing resume.

Good points...Troy a better chance than Ben or Hines if he plays full career. Ben needs to pick up he stats to get in. Phil Simms a good comparison he is a winner but not a stats guy. That said 2 Super Bowl wins aside, Ben a much more popular player in the league than Phil ever was so if a full career put Ben in but not first ballot. Cats said it about Ward...Stats will be his problem going up against prolific stats guys like TO and Moss and Harrison will be tough for him to get in BUT another Super Bowl MVP punch his ticket too! Oh wait McLovin' heard something about a sprained knee...

[jacksplat Profile]

here's something to digest. Over the past 5 years Potsie Farrior has posted better numbers that stab lewis, yet only has only 1 blow bowl appearance and everybody seems convinced that the felon is a lock fof the HoF(his induction diminishes everything the hall stands for) but nobody will put potsie and hof in the same sentence. I'm just saying. Sorry Still, I know how much you love farrior.

[McLovin Profile]

here's something to digest. Over the past 5 years Potsie Farrior has posted better numbers that stab lewis, yet only has only 1 blow bowl appearance and everybody seems convinced that the felon is a lock fof the HoF(his induction diminishes everything the hall stands for) but nobody will put potsie and hof in the same sentence. I'm just saying. Sorry Still, I know how much you love farrior.

Uh OHHHHH you mentioned Farrior and the hall of faaaaaaame in the same seeeeenteeeeence. Yourrrrrr in Trooooooouble! Mill is not going to like that! The first thing Mill is going to do is call you some names that start with crazy then after he calms down he should tell you that Ray is actually a superior player as much as we all hate him and that Ray although plays in similar defense is the focal point of that defense where as Steelers game plan around Polamalu

[Lake37 Profile]

If the stillers win this super bowl and BR7 plays at the level he has in the past two games, I think he puts himself on the fast track to the HOF. He has set a ton of records early on in his career and I think that he has established himself as having the image that he is "simply a winner"

Great point about Troy also, he gets very little talk about the HOF, yet when his career is over I think people are gonna look back and say that he was one of the best (the best IMO) year in and year out during his years in the league.

[relictele Profile]

Phil Simms has two superbowl rings and he will never get into the HOF.

Not to be pedantic but wasn't Simms out of commission for one of the SBs - the Jeff Hostetler/Scott Norwood affair?

He still got a ring and started most of that season of course....

[Mrsteve Profile]

Winning this Super Bowl would put Ben in that Stabler/Plunkett/Theissman group of players right on the fringe of the Hall of Fame. The difference, of course, is that Ben is 26 and should have 10 more years to fill out his resume.

I think a win gets Ward in, because the voters that like Ward (like Peter King) really really really like Ward. Plus, he is such a different player than any other receiver. It may take a few tries, but I think he eventually makes it.

Polamalu is on his way to be a first ballot guy.

Here is a longshot, but an interesting discussion: Hampton. The defense has always been dominant with him as the focal point. He has the Pro Bowls. He will have the rings. He just won't have any stats.

That's about it off this current team.

[SteelerPower Profile]

I think Big Ben will definitely be in the HOF. He is a great Qb doing very well and he is still young. He is going to have a great career with Pittsburgh. I think he will also retire as a Steeler as well.

[darthsteel Profile]

troys already considered a first ballot hao player by the national media and the national media is basically what puts players in the hall.

every show I listened to last week had troy and ed reed as the 2 best safeties in leage history,I gues alot of you guys just read/listen to pittsburg stuff.

Very few people in the national media have hines as a hof player rite now, with another ring and longevity stats , he could make it though. A third ring and being part of a dynasty would seal the deal for him.

Ben is following the brady protocols, each sb win and he will get more respect and hof talk. brady was considered a product of the patriot system the first 2 superbowls then slowly edged his way up in the top few qbs to finally passing manning with his 3rd superbowl when the pats became a bigger passing offense.
the same people who were saying brady was a nice qb 5 yrs ago but not hof calibre, are now all of a sudden calling him the greatest qb of all time.

[Mrsteve Profile]

Joe Montana was treated similarly early in his career. When the 49ers beat Miami, he was the cerebral guy and Marino was the gunslinger. By his 3rd Super Bowl, he was one of the greatest of all time. By the 4th, he was considered the greatest.

Ben has a lot of time.