View topic - Holmes 1st TD was NOT a catch

[lloydrules Profile]

Under the current rules, you must show control of the football throughout it coming into contact with the ground. If the ball hits the ground and pops out, it is not a catch. You must show control throughout the football movement. They got this right. Harbaugh was on top of it.

[steelcitymetal Profile]

you don't think he made a football move?

[LooseSlag Profile]

I gotta disagree. If you catch the ball and run 18 steps and dive for the goaline and the ball comes out is that not a catch? He demonstrated control, took 3 steps (enough to establish possession) and dove for the goaline. That's a touchdown. I believe if not for the controversy around his TD catch in B-more, this would have easily been ruled a reception.

[El Nino Profile]

so i guess mcgahee's fumble should have been an incomplete then? he had 2 feet down then squared his shoulders before getting popped.

[shawnlucas Profile]

I think that the referees are getting their signals mixed. The whole maintaining possession throughout the catch to the ground seems to me to be more for catches where the guy catches the ball, immediately hits the ground and the ball pops loose. That would not be a catch.

For the guy to have caught the ball, secured possession, made a few moves and lost the ball while going to the ground, that is a fumble, except the ground can't cause a fumble and therefore, the play is just dead as if his knee hit the ground.

At least, that is my interpretation of the rules. Then again, I'm not a PART TIME referee in one of the most important games of the season for these two teams.

Utterly ridiculous that there aren't full time NFL referees.

[steelcitymetal Profile]

is it just me, or does san antonio always extend his arm and put a hand on the defender before making a catch? i've just started noticing it lately.

if there's just one ump in the next game who likes to call offensive push-offs, it might be trouble.

[StillRush Profile]

I concur. Tonio CLEARLY secured the ball, and made what I call a football move after the fact to reach for the endzone. Utterly ridiculous!! At the very least it should have been first and goal because it is debatable if he actually reached the goal line.

[lloydrules Profile]

I gotta disagree. If you catch the ball and run 18 steps and dive for the goaline and the ball comes out is that not a catch?
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That's not what happened.


He demonstrated control, took 3 steps (enough to establish possession) and dove for the goaline.
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He had it in control for 3 steps? That's not what I saw.


That's a touchdown. I believe if not for the controversy around his TD catch in B-more, this would have easily been ruled a reception.
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Not at all. He didn't show control and possession thru the catch; it hit the ground and it came out. They got it right. Fortunately, it doesn't matter any how

[IhateARIANS Profile]

I gotta disagree. If you catch the ball and run 18 steps and dive for the goaline and the ball comes out is that not a catch?
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That's not what happened.


He demonstrated control, took 3 steps (enough to establish possession) and dove for the goaline.
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He had it in control for 3 steps? That's not what I saw.


That's a touchdown. I believe if not for the controversy around his TD catch in B-more, this would have easily been ruled a reception.
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Not at all. He didn't show control and possession thru the catch; it hit the ground and it came out. They got it right. Fortunately, it doesn't matter any how

It was a fight and the ground caused a fumble. He was diving for the end zone, it clearly was a football move and TD, but who honestly cares at this point. I just feel there is so much debate about it, isn't the rule to be overturn only if there is no debate on the review to overturn the call? I didn't feel there was enough to over turn it.

[dracula in cleats Profile]

Holmes 1st TD WAS a catch...bad call by the refs

[steelcitymetal Profile]

look on the bright side:

at least the refs didn't rule it an interception.

[Hi5Steeler Profile]

as soon as the ball crosses the plane it is a TD. if someone grabs the ball after.....slaps it out of his hand as hes falling.....doesnt matter. just has to cross the plane.

did it? i dont know. if it did then we were robbed.

but...not only that he did catch it and could have stopped right there and it would have been a catch. it was a catch. but he chose to lunge forward AFTER THE CATCH and push the ball across the plane....i think... regardless...at that point either ground caused the fumble or he is down where his knee touches as he already had caught the ball....GAINED CONTROL and made a football move....there is no way that was NOT a catch.


lloydrules is fmrfire aka hokehavoc and is a troll sky is falling instigator. he cant badmouth the team right now as were going to the superbowl so he has to attack us by saying that our WR did not catch the ball.

this is how he gets his rocks off.

[SteelBeach Profile]

Please go back and watch it again, idiot. Catch.

[gutofsteel Profile]

It was complete BS. The ref went to the fricking rulebook to come up with an excuse to overturn that.

The ref SPECIFICALLY did not make a determination of whether Holmes had established possession. That's my issue. No, the ref determined it was a diving catch, where the rules say you have to secure the ball all the way to the ground. It was obvious it was not a diving catch but a catch - on his feet (three feet, actually) - and then a lunge into the endzone. If he doesn't make the determination that the entire act was a diving catch then possession would have been pretty clearly established.

It was a blatant misapplication of the rule. It'd be like flaggin Harison for defensive holding with his neck when the OL has a chokehold on him.

[PGHeaven Profile]

Wrong again LR. Football caught two steps lunge for the GL broke the plane ground caused ball to come out after TD

Carollos Crew BLOWS DICK. But fear not LR, we have an equally bad crew doing the Super Bowl. My guess is that you will have several more opportunities to side with the ZEBRAS when the screw us in the big show

Idiot

[Coke Oven Profile]

This whole concept of football move is just too nebulous to be enforced. No two people, including the refs, seem to understand it the same way. As I mentioned jokingly in another post, exactly how many millimeters of motion are required for something to be a football move?

[SteelerPower Profile]

if they would have given us that td, Baltimore would have cried about it forever so I guess it was better off not a td. I don't want to hear that bullshit again about refs.

[lloydrules Profile]

if they would have given us that td, Baltimore would have cried about it forever so I guess it was better off not a td. I don't want to hear that bullshit again about refs.

I watched it again last night. There was no 3 steps with possession. Get real

[Cras108er Profile]

if they would have given us that td, Baltimore would have cried about it forever so I guess it was better off not a td. I don't want to hear that bullshit again about refs.

Agreed!

[Cras108er Profile]

if they would have given us that td, Baltimore would have cried about it forever so I guess it was better off not a td. I don't want to hear that bullshit again about refs.

I watched it again last night. There was no 3 steps with possession. Get real

I watched it again last night too. I'm wondering if you and I were watching the same game? Even the announcers talked about the steps and lunge. The issue Sims brought up was the fact that the defender was in contact with Holmes all the way through. There was never a question about the number of steps.