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3rd and LONG? No Problem for Ben? 3rd and SHORT...Ugh
by No l Gravity l » Thu Dec 25, 2008 5:24 pm
Good writeup by LatrobePA on another (unnamed) Steelers board
3rd and short/Tomlin and Arian's
Just some statistical meat for anyone who is interested. These are all objective stats taken from play-by play logs. I have done no skewing of any kind. The only part of this post that is subjective are points #1, 6, 7 and 8 at the end of the post, but all other stats are facts.
17 times the Steelers have had 3rd and 4:
15 times in the shotgun formation; 2 sacks, 1 interception, 1 offensive penalty, 1 defensive penalty, 3 failed passes, 7 successful passes, 2 sucessful QB rushes
On 3rd and 4 we have ran 15 pass plays on 17 attempts, we converted successfully on 7 out of 15 pass attempts and 2 out of 2 rush attempts.
14 times the Steelers have had 3rd and 3:
9 times in the shotgun formation; 1 sack, 1 offensive penalty, 4 failed passes, 6 successful passes and 2 successful rushes
On 3rd and 3 we have ran 12 pass plays on 14 attempts, we converted successfully on 6 out of 12 pass attempts and 2 out of 2 rush attempts.
24 times the Steelers have had 3rd and 2:
11 times in the shotgun formation; 5 sacks, 3 interceptions, 3 failed passes, 2 defensive penalties, 9 successful passes and 2 successful rushes.
On 3rd and 2 we have ran 20 pass plays on 24 attempts, we converted successfully on 9 out of 20 pass attempts and 2 out of 2 rush attempts.
27 times the Steelers have had 3rd and 1:
4 times in the shotgun formation; 2 sacks, 1 failed QB sneak, 3 failed passes, 7 failed rushes, 1 successful pass, 11 successful rushes, 2 successful QB sneaks.
On 3rd and 1 we have ran 6 pass plays on 27 attempts, we converted successfully on 1 out of 6 pass attempts and 13 out of 21 rush attempts.
What does this all amount to?
1. Arian's is an idiot
2. Arian's has called for shotgun 39 out of 82 times we have been faced with 3rd down and 4 or less. 15 shotgun formations on 17 3rd and 4's.
3. Arian's has called for 53 pass plays out of 82 times we have been faced with 3rd down and 4 or less.
4. We have converted 23 out of 53 pass plays on 3rd and 4 or less and have converted 19 out of 27 rush attempts on 3rd and 4 or less, the difference in rush success over pass success being clear as day yet Arian's continues to call twice as many pass plays in those 3rd and 4 or less situations.
5. 4 out of 14 of Roethlisberger's INT's have come in these situations.
6. These situations were directly responsible for the Giants and Colts losses.
7. At this point in the season Tomlin is just as guilty as Arian's for not having done anything to correct the "situation"
8. Arian's is an idiot.
3rd and short/Tomlin and Arian's
Just some statistical meat for anyone who is interested. These are all objective stats taken from play-by play logs. I have done no skewing of any kind. The only part of this post that is subjective are points #1, 6, 7 and 8 at the end of the post, but all other stats are facts.
17 times the Steelers have had 3rd and 4:
15 times in the shotgun formation; 2 sacks, 1 interception, 1 offensive penalty, 1 defensive penalty, 3 failed passes, 7 successful passes, 2 sucessful QB rushes
On 3rd and 4 we have ran 15 pass plays on 17 attempts, we converted successfully on 7 out of 15 pass attempts and 2 out of 2 rush attempts.
14 times the Steelers have had 3rd and 3:
9 times in the shotgun formation; 1 sack, 1 offensive penalty, 4 failed passes, 6 successful passes and 2 successful rushes
On 3rd and 3 we have ran 12 pass plays on 14 attempts, we converted successfully on 6 out of 12 pass attempts and 2 out of 2 rush attempts.
24 times the Steelers have had 3rd and 2:
11 times in the shotgun formation; 5 sacks, 3 interceptions, 3 failed passes, 2 defensive penalties, 9 successful passes and 2 successful rushes.
On 3rd and 2 we have ran 20 pass plays on 24 attempts, we converted successfully on 9 out of 20 pass attempts and 2 out of 2 rush attempts.
27 times the Steelers have had 3rd and 1:
4 times in the shotgun formation; 2 sacks, 1 failed QB sneak, 3 failed passes, 7 failed rushes, 1 successful pass, 11 successful rushes, 2 successful QB sneaks.
On 3rd and 1 we have ran 6 pass plays on 27 attempts, we converted successfully on 1 out of 6 pass attempts and 13 out of 21 rush attempts.
What does this all amount to?
1. Arian's is an idiot
2. Arian's has called for shotgun 39 out of 82 times we have been faced with 3rd down and 4 or less. 15 shotgun formations on 17 3rd and 4's.
3. Arian's has called for 53 pass plays out of 82 times we have been faced with 3rd down and 4 or less.
4. We have converted 23 out of 53 pass plays on 3rd and 4 or less and have converted 19 out of 27 rush attempts on 3rd and 4 or less, the difference in rush success over pass success being clear as day yet Arian's continues to call twice as many pass plays in those 3rd and 4 or less situations.
5. 4 out of 14 of Roethlisberger's INT's have come in these situations.
6. These situations were directly responsible for the Giants and Colts losses.
7. At this point in the season Tomlin is just as guilty as Arian's for not having done anything to correct the "situation"
8. Arian's is an idiot.
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Re: 3rd and LONG? No Problem for Ben? 3rd and SHORT...Ugh
by toomuchmerrilhoge » Thu Dec 25, 2008 7:30 pm
Yep. It's sad to watch the running game disappear this season. I'm also disappointed to see people criticize FWP for wanting a lead blocker in the backfield. If the guy wants a lead blocker, is that really too much to ask? I think Sean McHugh has showed some good potential this year in that role, but Arians is a big blockhead and wants to overload the line of scrimmage on one side and make the defense 'guess' which way we're going to run. 
To me, LaDanian Tomlinson has suffered a similar (although injuries did play a role) fate w/o the services of Lorenzo McNeal. Getting rid of Dan Kreider was a huge mistake, which is manifesting itself by the fact that we can't confidently pick up one yard on third down when we need it.
To me, LaDanian Tomlinson has suffered a similar (although injuries did play a role) fate w/o the services of Lorenzo McNeal. Getting rid of Dan Kreider was a huge mistake, which is manifesting itself by the fact that we can't confidently pick up one yard on third down when we need it.Re: 3rd and LONG? No Problem for Ben? 3rd and SHORT...Ugh
by Rushmore » Fri Dec 26, 2008 11:45 am
said it before, say it again: no imagination w/ the shotgun in said 3rd & shorts. no sense having the defense hesitate a sec, "....hhmmm dey gonna 'run' or 'pass' w/a qb under center? Oh, dey in shotgun, pin-yer-ears-back."
this begs the season-long question: is the o-line that bad? and BA figured that out a long time ago and calls shot-gun knowing that gives BB at least one extra beat to scan the field?
10 games w/the same o-line player-make-up and it still faulters? Isn't that 'coaching' or lack there of? Then again, a four-game stretch of NE, Dallas, Ravens, Titans defenses does have an effect(or 'affect', never can remember that.)
potential 12-4 record and 1st round bye? whoduthunkit.
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this begs the season-long question: is the o-line that bad? and BA figured that out a long time ago and calls shot-gun knowing that gives BB at least one extra beat to scan the field?
10 games w/the same o-line player-make-up and it still faulters? Isn't that 'coaching' or lack there of? Then again, a four-game stretch of NE, Dallas, Ravens, Titans defenses does have an effect(or 'affect', never can remember that.)
potential 12-4 record and 1st round bye? whoduthunkit.
-Rushmore
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