View topic - I'm starting to think Santonio could be a bust

[ILLSTILL Profile]

there's just one thing I have to say: not just this year, but last year as well Santonio was supposed to have BREAKOUT SEASONS

You know who else was supposed to? Carson Palmer.

Expectations have such a harsh drawback.

[DirtDawson Profile]

there's just one thing I have to say: not just this year, but last year as well Santonio was supposed to have BREAKOUT SEASONS

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That's the thing about it....


even all those so-called fantasy "experts" had Santonio supposedly emerging as a breakout star, even last year.

[DirtDawson Profile]

That's the difference between you and me.

I don't look for lauding.

That's why I don't puff myself up.

Actually, by bragging that you're not puffing yourself up,

you're pointing out a flaw in others that you yourself don't possess.


So basically, you ARE puffing yourself up.

[isfry Profile]

Dirt said:
"On another note, you bring up the contract with Santonio ending in '09. Hopefully by then Limas Sweed will get a more serious look. I'm really thinking he can be a big deal.

Even during the preseason, you could see the potential with the caliber of receptions he had been making. I've followed him for a good amount of his career in texas, and I do see alot promise and reliability."

Limas has to fix his case of the dropsies, though. Both in the preseason, and the first couple of times he touched the ball in the regular season, it ends up on the ground alot. Great analysis, though, Dirt, your knowledge is more advanced than you give yourself credit for, and your humility makes it that much more readable. Keep 'em comin'.

[Jeemie Profile]

Actually, by bragging that you're not puffing yourself up,

you're pointing out a flaw in others that you yourself don't possess.


So basically, you ARE puffing yourself up.

Nope, sorry.

Anyone who knows me and my posting history knows that I have many times said I'm just a fan spouting off his opinions...most of which I'd predict are totally shit opinions, but hey! That's what makes posting on the web fun!

Never tried to pretend I was anything more...unlike some people on this site.

And this is all diversion...fact remains- we are fans who watch the games on TV...we do not receive enough information from watching games on TV to make judgements as to players' future career paths.

Indeed, you guys pointing out how many times the COACHES make mistakes show that even they with their greater information can't always get it right.

But for the most part, I'll trust the coaches' evaluations over guys on a website whom hardly anyone reads (which is NOT the same as calling coaches "infallible").

[Steel Holiday Profile]

A bust?

The entire offense is inconsistent, and now we are going to pick on someone b/c history says he should be our best player? No.

W/o Holmes we would have had a hell of a time flipping the field on Dallas. Once he caught "that" pass, Dallas' offense was never on our end of the field. That play was as big as any in the game. Or maybe you would like to take your chances with 50/50 Washington on that play?

OBTW, Holmes scored the only Td last weekend. I expect big things from SH in the playoffs. He will be a clutch player once again.

[SteelerPride51 Profile]

First off, this was a brilliantly written post by DirtDawson. If yer ever lookin' for a writing job, Dermontti, please let me know.

Ha, mill can get you a job writing addresses on envelopes for the post office, go for it Dawson!

God, this guy never ceases to amaze me..

[mikeyg Profile]

This entire post completely captures the danger of believing that by sitting and watching players on TV (or in the stands), we are collecting enough information, to a sufficient level of accuracy, to accurately predict the course of a player's development.

In fact, despite occasional anecdotal examples of us "being right", we do NOT, in fact, have sufficient information to do so, and when we "are right", it is often a matter of coincidence rather than any "cogent analysis" on our part.

In other words, there's a reason we drink beer and watch games on TV instead of being a coach, scout, or involved in player development.

And we should remember that, instead of getting some puffed-up sense of our own analytical abilities.

I suppose you have a valid point. After all, just look at the sheer omnipotence and papal infallibility of Billy Cowher....the genius who cut James Harrison (3 times, in fact), as well as Hank Fraley & Dan Kreider (cut him and kept Jon Wittman), and kept Mike Tomczak around for years upon years, and other brilliant decisions. We should all rightfully bow and defer to each and every decision made by the GM and the coaches, because, after all, "they are around the players each day and they know best...."

There probably is a reason Jeemster drinks beers and watches games on TV. There is also a reason why Mill, and a few others, don't drink beers while watching the games.

some of us watch soberly and can make assessments after watching for 25 years

[woody2008 Profile]

makes tough catches, doesnt get the same looks as other top recievers do, i think for the number of times he gets the ball thrown his way he does a great job, hines also, no bust to me, if we were a high flying offense i am sure he would post 1200 plus every year, hines also, far from a bust in my oppinion, the best deep threat we have had since stick man plax

[Steeledge Profile]

Meh, I just chalked it up to Santonio smokin' a bit too much weed Saturday night. He'll be alright.

if he learns his lesson and puts that chit down, maybe...

I look for Baker and Sweed to really put the pressure on him next year, although we will probably need somebody to fill Nate-Nate's HUGE shoes by then...

[UncommonSteel Profile]

I think there may be a little overreaction here. I mean, Holmes has stats in his third year that are equal to, or better than the stats Ward put up in his third year in terms of receptions, Yards, Average, Average per game, and touchdowns.

I posted this in another post (which was my first ever here - and not even a welcome to the board .. Oh well .. lol)

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1495

[isfry Profile]

I think there may be a little overreaction here. I mean, Holmes has stats in his third year that are equal to, or better than the stats Ward put up in his third year in terms of receptions, Yards, Average, Average per game, and touchdowns.

I posted this in another post (which was my first ever here - and not even a welcome to the board .. Oh well .. lol)

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1495

I agree, Uncommon, that stats usually don't lie, except for one caveat. Hines (at least to my recollection) was never touted to be or expected to be a deep threat, breakout, game changing receiver. Don't get me wrong, I love Ward, but he was always a sure handed, third down possession receiver, a very different kind of receiver than Santonio was hyped to be. Moreover, Holmes' 3rd year numbers are upped simply by the fact that Hines is on the other side of the field. Nobody was drawing much coverage away from Ward in his third year. By the way...welcome to the board.

[uknowwho Profile]

You know, a little veering off here ... reading through this kind of conversation (some of the comments about Cowher and/or Colbert) always makes me wonder why some don't consider how lucky Noll was early in his career in the draft. Yet he gets lauded (by most guys who are over the age of 45 by the way) as an absolute genius. I mean, come on ... the same thing can be said about Belichick with Tom Brady as his 6th round draft choice. If he knew how good he was going to be, he'd have picked him in the first round and laughed all the way to the podium as everyone around him would have thought he was crazy ...
We had early round picks with Greene, Bradshaw and some others ... and the rest of em' were lucky late round picks that nobody knew (obviously including Noll) would turn out the way they did, or again, he would have picked them much earlier. And that's ok, that's the whole thing about the draft, it can really be a crap shoot, you gotta have some luck, some skill, some things have to shake out just right ... You make some educated guesses and hope for the best. Nobody can blame the Chargers for taking Leaf, or the the Bunguls for Smith or Klingler, etc. These guys were slotted and whover would have had the same pick would have made the same move (obviously position requirements not withstanding).
Me and my crew have went through Nolls drafts after those first 5 or 6 years, and the luck ran out ... as soon as that same, single team got old, it was over. He never got lucky again and our team went right into the toilet. I know that will rinkle feathers, and my 65 year-old Dad thinks it's blasphomy ... but that's ok too ... I know it produced the greatest team in history, and I'm old enough to remember most of it ... but I'm also proud enough to admit that I'm realist, and can admit some of it was luck ... sorry for going on about something a little off topic ... just some of the comments made me think of this ...