View topic - Ben v Eli

[darthsteel Profile]

hmmm ben has 15 game winning drives in the 4th qt/overtime which leads the leage since 2004, the stats say yu can trust ben more then any current qb

[El Nino Profile]

eli manning is a little bitch, i'll take ben over him any day

[Scalaid6 Profile]

Have I seen strides in Bens progress? Yes. Do I trust him if we are down 4 with 1:20 left and we need a td. NOT YET. Time will tell. One thing for sure, either you guys will have a field day with me this season or I will get banned from this site for saying I told you so too many times. STAY TUNED

As of the JAX game, Ben has 15 game winning drives in the fourth quarter or overtime. However, Eli Manning is the only quarterback in history to lead a last-minute, championship-winning touchdown drive – at least when he absolutely positively needed a touchdown and when anything less would have meant failure.

Its Bens 5th year as a starter is 15 alot to you? YOU DO THE MATH

[Scalaid6 Profile]

The author of the article is an idiot not because he doesn't agree with me (though that doesn't help his cause). He is an idiot because he takes a counter-intuitive viewpoint and fails the prove it. In fact, all he really does is provide evidence which would support the opposite position. That is why he is an idiot - why you agree with him, well that is obvious.

Took the words out of my mouth.

Second, is this Scalaid guy always this horrendous. He obviously never learned to properly argue His arguments and evidence are incredibly weak. I'm not a big fan of name calling, but he seems like a very unintelligent person. Not because I disagree with his opinions but because his arguments are so terribly flawed (I just don't know where to begin to dissect all the jumps in logic and incorrect conclusions not to mention voluntarily ignoring evidence to the contrary) and his thought process is so obviously flawed. Really quite shocking.

Thanks for the compliments bro and welcome to the site. By the way did you substantiate ANY points? Didnt think so. I did by the way sir.

[Scalaid6 Profile]

I'll say it again the Steelers were 13-3 (maybe 12-4) with Kordell. DOES THAT TELL YOU ANYTHING??
Also, Hines caught over 100 balls with KORDELL. We had success with Tammy Maddox, Kordell, Bubby frickin brister (little success), Even Graham. Qbs are good DUE to our TEAM. For the record Mclovin Bill Walton played basketball. That O-Coordinators name for the Steelers was Joe Walton

[darthsteel Profile]

hhmmmm can you tell me how many sb's we won with those qbs you listed, it seems to have slipped my mind!

[darthsteel Profile]

Have I seen strides in Bens progress? Yes. Do I trust him if we are down 4 with 1:20 left and we need a td. NOT YET. Time will tell. One thing for sure, either you guys will have a field day with me this season or I will get banned from this site for saying I told you so too many times. STAY TUNED

As of the JAX game, Ben has 15 game winning drives in the fourth quarter or overtime. However, Eli Manning is the only quarterback in history to lead a last-minute, championship-winning touchdown drive – at least when he absolutely positively needed a touchdown and when anything less would have meant failure.

Its Bens 5th year as a starter is 15 alot to you? YOU DO THE MATH

hmmm considering its the most in the leage since 2004 and the next closest qb has 11, umm ya 15 game winning drives in the 4th qt is a ton considering you only get 3 or 4 oppurtunities a yr.

[Scalaid6 Profile]

A ton? How bout the variables? Like the Patriots or Colts havent been down that much since 04 THATS why Ben is higher. Lets stick to the facts.

[Scalaid6 Profile]

hhmmmm can you tell me how many sb's we won with those qbs you listed, it seems to have slipped my mind!

We won zero with them sir and we won zero because of Ben. We won that Super Bowl based on a good defense and and a STRONG running game. Our Qb peed on himself in the Super Bowl. Randle El had a better day passing than Ben. The only reason we beat the Seahawks was because of defense, trick plays and Willies long run. Please dont give me the excuse that Ben got us there with good games vs the Colts and Broncos. True enough he did play well in those games but so did Neil Odonnell leading up to the Super Bowl in 96 but he played HORRIBLE in the game and the team we were playing were too good to overcome his mistakes. Ben was fortunate that the team wasnt as good or we would have lost again. FACT.

[darthsteel Profile]

A ton? How bout the variables? Like the Patriots or Colts havent been down that much since 04 THATS why Ben is higher. Lets stick to the facts.

hmmm lets take all the hall of fame qbs out of canton because thier stats are all hogash do to variables..
hmm joe montana had the greatest reciever of all time so, i think stan humphries could have easilly been a hall of famer if he ha him lol jeeeez scally!

the game is played , stats,win losses and awards are accumulated, based on that qbs are judged. end of story!

scaly wants to break down every second of every game when bens the topic , lol,, scaly is funny!

[darthsteel Profile]

hhmmmm can you tell me how many sb's we won with those qbs you listed, it seems to have slipped my mind!

We won zero with them sir and we won zero because of Ben. We won that Super Bowl based on a good defense and and a STRONG running game. Our Qb peed on himself in the Super Bowl. Randle El had a better day passing than Ben. The only reason we beat the Seahawks was because of defense, trick plays and Willies long run. Please dont give me the excuse that Ben got us there with good games vs the Colts and Broncos. True enough he did play well in those games but so did Neil Odonnell leading up to the Super Bowl in 96 but he played HORRIBLE in the game and the team we were playing were too good to overcome his mistakes. Ben was fortunate that the team wasnt as good or we would have lost again. FACT.

you dont walk on that field in michigan without bens superior play three games prior scaly

[Steeledge Profile]

...with our schedule Ben will have his chance to shut me up.

Everybody else reading your drivel is praying that he seizes upon that chance, but none of us truly believe that anything he does will make it happen...

Put simply, Ben's history is unprecedented BY ANYONE, let alone Little Manning...

And we're currently 5-1 and #1 in AFC North BECAUSE OF BIG BEN, while you constantly try to convince us that it's in spite of him with weak arguments and skewed statistics.

Maybe you should just admit now that Ben7 will continue improving as the season wears on and end up with another strong performance.

...that way you can SHUT THE FUCK UP NOW!!!

[Scalaid6 Profile]

No Scalaid tells the truth in regard to Ben and truth to you homers is like cryptonite to Superman. Have I lied on Ben?
You know how many marginal Qbs have won Super Bowls? Just because your team wins a Super Bowl doesnt mean you have a great qb. Brad Johnson, Tren Dilfer,Bob Griese (He won 2 is he great? Hes so great that he got hurt and his team went UNDEFEATED without him. He came back in the playoffs),Jim Plunkett,Joe Theismann,Jim Mcmahon,Phil Simms, Doug Williams, Jeff Hostedtler,Mark Rypien, Ben and Eli.
None of these Qbs are GREAT. The jury is still out on Ben and Eli. The point is you can win the big game without a great performance from your qb (LIKE WE DID)

[Scalaid6 Profile]

hhmmmm can you tell me how many sb's we won with those qbs you listed, it seems to have slipped my mind!

We won zero with them sir and we won zero because of Ben. We won that Super Bowl based on a good defense and and a STRONG running game. Our Qb peed on himself in the Super Bowl. Randle El had a better day passing than Ben. The only reason we beat the Seahawks was because of defense, trick plays and Willies long run. Please dont give me the excuse that Ben got us there with good games vs the Colts and Broncos. True enough he did play well in those games but so did Neil Odonnell leading up to the Super Bowl in 96 but he played HORRIBLE in the game and the team we were playing were too good to overcome his mistakes. Ben was fortunate that the team wasnt as good or we would have lost again. FACT.

you dont walk on that field in michigan without bens superior play three games prior scaly

SO PREDICTABLE. I CALLED IT!! We won the Super Bowl without his supperior play so what makes you think we couldnt have won those games??

[Scalaid6 Profile]

...with our schedule Ben will have his chance to shut me up.

Everybody else reading your drivel is praying that he seizes upon that chance, but none of us truly believe that anything he does will make it happen...

Put simply, Ben's history is unprecedented BY ANYONE, let alone Little Manning...

And we're currently 5-1 and #1 in AFC North BECAUSE OF BIG BEN, while you constantly try to convince us that it's in spite of him with weak arguments and skewed statistics.

Maybe you should just admit now that Ben7 will continue improving as the season wears on and end up with another strong performance.

...that way you can SHUT THE FUCK UP NOW!!!

Dont get mad sir. I'm merely stating my case. If Ben shuts me up I win. I'm a Steelers fan. I think Byron could run the offense just as good as Ben or better.

[Steeledge Profile]

Second, is this Scalaid guy always this horrendous. He obviously never learned to properly argue His arguments and evidence are incredibly weak.

He's even claimed before that he's a lawyer...imagine that

he even thanked you for the compliment of pointing out that he's unintelligent

...not that pointing it out needed to be done...

I think in reality he's a criminal justice night-school wannabe that wastes study time posting useless nonsensical Ben-hating drivel on a fan site just to try and get a rise...
then totally disregards the truth when people call him out for making a complete fool of himself...

You're wrong Sca-can't get-laid, about Ben vs. Eli and so much more
...no matter how many times you obnoxiously ignore the contradicting facts in posts responding to yours and try to proclaim otherwise...

[Steeledge Profile]

If Ben shuts me up I win.

If ANYBODY shuts you up

WE ALL WIN!!

[Steeledge Profile]

SO PREDICTABLE... what makes you think we couldnt have won those games??

There's no way we even get to the SB without Beg Ben's play in the 7 games prior, counting the playoffs.

NO WAY!

You're a football-ignorant fool.

Finis.

[darthsteel Profile]

If scalehead is a law student he should concentrate on his studies more becaue even a "d "student lawyer knows facts are what win court cases and the stats are the facts lol!through 4.5 seasons ben has hall of fame numbers and a ring. 1 more ring and the same numbers for the rest of his career = first ballot hall of famer no matter how many silly posts scaly makes lol!

[octopoon Profile]

A ton? How bout the variables? Like the Patriots or Colts havent been down that much since 04 THATS why Ben is higher. Lets stick to the facts.

Facts? The facts are --- you don't "trust" Ben when the game is on the line, but he has more game winning drives than any other QB since he entered the league. (read: the game was on the line and he delivered)

It isn't a lot in 5 years? Again - most in the NFL. I'm sorry he doesn't meet your personal quota.

What was your argument?