View topic - Fire LeBeau? What planet are you on?

[oldschoolhunkie Profile]

The quest for perfection that many here seem to be on is truly insane. Do you pay attention to the sorry state of most teams? The fans of 31 teams would trade their teeth to swap with us.

We just finished a season with one of the top couple of rushing defenses EVER, the players would rip their hearts out for Lebeau. Everyone knows their job and does it. We have a sometimes dominant offense with a patchwork O line - I think we used 7 tackles this year. We lost our punter and canned our kicker, hiring two street rejects. Our franchise qb missed 4 games and was almost run out of town in a wagon. we traded our star receiver before the start of the season for a bag of peanuts. One of our cornerbacks was basically cast aside by one of the L's worst defenses yet in this system was quite serviceable or more.

And after all that, we are in the Super Bowl for the third time in six years, a truly remarkable achievement. But the sky is falling we suck, we need to fire our coaches...

REMOVE YOUR HEAD FROM YOUR ASS AND ENJOY YOURSELF. This is a sport.. it is entertainment, it is a way of life and we dominate it in a way no one else ever has. Lighten up and enjoy the moment, you nutjob.

[SoCal Stiller Profile]

I completely agree. This site has become so overwhelmingly negative that I rarely visit anymore. I can understand some criticism of things here and there, but to say he needs to go is just ridiculous. We're going to the fucking Superbowl for christ sakes!!! WTF is wrong with some of you people??? After all of the fucking bitching on this site, I have yet to see someone post who would be a better DC than Lebeau.

So I'll pose the question again... Who would you want to have in Lebeau's place? Yeah, that's what I thought!

Steelers76 - You are obviously one of those angry assholes who can never be pleased. I am glad that I don't know you personally and would never want to be in the same room with you while watching my beloved Steelers.

[LambertoCincoOcho Profile]

Well Dom Capers (with some of Bill Cowher's input) supposedly is the architect of the current 3-4 that we run. I'm sure you know who they are. I believe LeBeau coached DB's and Capers was our D.C. in the early 90's. The Packers run the old 49er's offense (west coast) developed by Bill Walsh. This is basically a 9ers vs. Steelers Super Bowl and they are running our defense against us. Ironic.

[Steelers76 Profile]

Read the points I made in the other thread before you you spout off your typical, homer-esque, kool-aid drinking yinzer bullshit. Nimrods like you see what you want to see, and would be really funny if it wasn't so sad.

[oldschoolhunkie Profile]

I read your post and you make some good points. So what. What are you comparing them to? What perfect world are you seeking?

It's not just about play calling either. Who figured out that Harrison could be a force? Who helped Farrior regain his edge and be so effective at this stage of his career? Who understood what Hampton still had left when so many here were calling him fat, out of shape, the contract a boondoggle? Who molded Ziggy Hood into what looks like a dominant player? Who helped Keisel get where he is? etc etc... Not to mention Troy, Timmons et al... you think any of these guys could have gone to any team and been this good? Wake up.

[oldschoolhunkie Profile]

I am watching the replay on NFL Network right now. Second half about to start. On that last drive of the first half (FG drive), we were NOT in a prevent.. rushing 4-5 guys minimum each snap, including some blitzing... Timmons and Ike both dropped INTs though timmons would not have counted because of illegal contact on Mcfadden, a correct if ticky tack call.

[Steelers76 Profile]

No, I couldn't, but neither could you. You can't state that for sure that they wouldn't become stars anywhere else, so once again we have someone mistaking their opinion for fact...


Also, why are people like you so concered with how other people like Mill and I take the game? I never asked ANYONE to agree with me in my thread, much like you aren't doing here. I'd wager I'm being more of a loyal fan worrying about obvious problems that may plague my Steelers in their quest for a 7th SB Title, then people like you are wanting to ignore them and give praise were it isn't warranted. I'd rather be an "angry asshole" and see things how they are, then have my head up my ass living in a fucking fantasy land....

[StillMill Profile]

I am watching the replay on NFL Network right now. Second half about to start. On that last drive of the first half (FG drive), we were NOT in a prevent.. rushing 4-5 guys minimum each snap, including some blitzing... Timmons and Ike both dropped INTs though timmons would not have counted because of illegal contact on Mcfadden, a correct if ticky tack call.

Let me politely call bullshit right now on this poppycock of "they rushed 4-5 guys MINIMUM on EACH snap" in that final drive of the 1H.

I charted EVERY play, after re-watching EVERY play in slow-mo about 3 times. I plan to write an article, time permitting.

Here is every play of the last drive of the 1H --

1 - 4MR
2 & 5 - 4MR, 16 yard pass
1- 4MR 9 yd. pass
2 & 1 - 5MR, with Gay blitzing (Fadden flag)
1 - 4MR 9 yd. pass
2 & 1 - 4MR
3 & 1 - 4MR

There ya have it. No big blitzing whatsoever, except, in a SMALL part, for ONE play. And, oh by the way, for anyone that thinks a 4MR (4 man rush) is a blitz, that's total horseshit. There are FIVE O-linemen, right off the bat. If the TE chip blocks or if a RB(s) helps out, that's even more manpower for a piddly-assed 4MR to beat. In any book of common sense, a "blitz" doesn't occur until at LEAST five (5) men rush the QB.

Guess how many rushed on the sack by Big LaMarr ? Answer: SEVEN

[oldschoolhunkie Profile]

Mill, I said they were rushing 4-5 and if you are right then so was I. They did not max blitz, but they did not sit back and rush 2 or 3. They were getting after him. Sanchez was damn good in the second half. He made plays, ducked out from some pressure, ducked under hits, rolled, hit passes. Keller and Edwards were very good. On the long TD, Taylor just fell down and the Jets made a nice play. It was nothing like the soft D on the last drive of the first Ravens game. You guys were completely right on that one. I think you are wrong here and that it does not make sense to yell for someone's head in this situation. I think it's F'ing insane. If that makes me a Kool Aid drinker, all aboard.

[StillMill Profile]

Mill, I said they were rushing 4-5 and if you are right then so was I. They did not max blitz, but they did not sit back and rush 2 or 3. They were getting after him. Sanchez was damn good in the second half. He made plays, ducked out from some pressure, ducked under hits, rolled, hit passes. Keller and Edwards were very good. On the long TD, Taylor just fell down and the Jets made a nice play. It was nothing like the soft D on the last drive of the first Ravens game. You guys were completely right on that one. I think you are wrong here and that it does not make sense to yell for someone's head in this situation. I think it's F'ing insane. If that makes me a Kool Aid drinker, all aboard.

Uh, sorry, You said they were rushing "4-5 EVERY play". They clearly were not. They rushed FIVE only ONCE. That's it; once.

They did not max blitz, but they did not sit back and rush 2 or 3. They were getting after him.

Patent bullshit. So, they did not rush 2 or 3.....whoooopee !! A 2-man man rush ?? are you fuking kidding me? Even LeBeau, the pussy, senile fuk that he is, would never rush only 2 fuking men. And a 3-man rush is a complete fuking joke, to be used on the rarest of situations, such as when you are anticipating a screen pass or a draw. I say again -- REAL PRESSURE is derived, at a MINIMUM, from a FIVE-man rush. They were not "getting after" ANYBODY. It was a SIT-BACK, pussy-fuk, SOFTEE defense.

[stillgrill Profile]

Mill - I love your technical knowledge & astute analysis of the Stillers - I read your grades every wk.

However, sometimes it is apparent that there is no such thing as having a perfect game. Guys miss tackles, drop passes, & make bad throws - it happens. The other teams have the same salary cap as the Stillers, & most of the players make plays now and then. If the other team has 40-60 plays on offense, Lebeau can only win so many of them.

That being said, I agree the Stillers called off the dogs slightly in the 2nd half - but that is human nature when you have a 3 TD lead. The Stillers had ZERO pts in the 2nd half. If Ben even puts 3 or 6 pts on the board, it's gm over immediately.

[oldschoolhunkie Profile]

StillGrill nailed my own thoughts pretty perfectly here.

If ben throws a decent pass on that second INT it's a cakewalk touchdown, the Jets never come close to rallying and this conversation never gets started. I maintain it was an offensive not defensive breakdown, that Sanchez stepped his game up big time and osme of the Jets started making plays.

And that in today's NFL there are no perfect or dominant teams and coaches ahve to scheme around their weaknesses and play to their strengths, which I think DL mostly does very well.

[DirtySouth Profile]

Some people want the reincarnation of the 85 bears. 3 SB's in 6 years. I'll live with that. Even though I'm ready for Farrior to go...

To me, BIll Cowher was the real problem. Now that he's gone you see what happens when you play the younger players earlier. Now if they can draft a #1 db, this defense will be great for another 4 or 5 years.

To be honest, TOmlin makes Cowher look real bad. It will get worse because I see the Steelers competing for SB's for at least the next three seasons.

Draft 90% defense and press on.

[m1k3 Profile]

Some people want the reincarnation of the 85 bears. 3 SB's in 6 years. I'll live with that. Even though I'm ready for Farrior to go...

To me, BIll Cowher was the real problem. Now that he's gone you see what happens when you play the younger players earlier. Now if they can draft a #1 db, this defense will be great for another 4 or 5 years.

To be honest, TOmlin makes Cowher look real bad. It will get worse because I see the Steelers competing for SB's for at least the next three seasons.

Draft 90% defense and press on.

Rumor has it Cowher is really worried about his legacy as Steelers head coach. I'm not going to say he was the greatest coach ever, but he did a good job of stabilizing things. I think the thing he was missing most was a franchise qb. People tend to forget he won a Super Bowl in Ben's second year.

[SteelThatDon'tRust Profile]

To be fair to StillMill—at whom I still have anger aimed for hijacking and editing some of my posts in a most unflattering way (but I know we're still friends Mill and I've filed that incident under the "It's Good to Be the King" category—he has never suggested that LeBeau be fired—at least not that I've read. He has suggested we stop treating him as the best(ever) DC in the sport and start treating him as a perhaps above average, but not genius DC. Others, however, do want him fired or retired. And they are retarded unless we they have 100 surety that Keith Butler or some other will be at least as good or better. Again: who is the sure and BETTER alternative? We can rate and bitch all we want, but from a practical stand point, we can only deliberate about what is up to us to choose. But hope and critical analysis both spring eternal, I guess. Who can we choose that is better than LeBeau? That said, the man is 73. This discussion is bound to turn to the rating of his legacy pretty soon. Will LeBeau really be back another season if we manage to win another SB? Or more than one more season?

[StillMill Profile]

We've been down this road NUMEROUS times. Long before, we've heard the feeble cries of "who could possibly replace Chuck Noll?" Why, a fellow named Cowher, who had NEVER been a head coach at ANY level.

Then, the feeble-fuk cries became, ""who could possibly replace Billy Cowher?" Once again, a TOTAL unknown, and a guy who had NEVER been a head coach, Mike Tomlin, replaced The Great Billy Cowher. 2 sup Bowl appearances later (in only 4 years), the asinine question of "who could possibly replace Billy Cowher" has been answered.

We're not talking about replacing the lead engineer on the next NASA space shuttle. It's merely hiring a def. coordinator of a defense that has more talent, pedigree, depth, and experience than ANY defense in the NFL. Pee Wee Fuking Herman could run this defense and they'd still finish around # 9 or 10 in the NFL.

[LenSherwood Profile]

On Sunday, whether LeBeau is a genius or not, he will have to game plan to stop that short to intermediate route passing attack with timing patterns and receivers coming out of breaks. I am pretty sure that a soft zone with a seven yard cushion is going to end up with long aggravating drives like Brady does that will drive you fucking nuts. This means press coverage and knocking Rogers on his ass such that he starts rushing things and getting out of rhythm. I think it can be done--I live in DC and watched the Redskins of all teams pick him off and win that game. But rest assured that the Packers will try to mimic the Patsies and throw the fuking ball fifty times, so LeBeau had better get the secondary ready to step up and play press coverage.

[isfry Profile]

I'll say this. Dick LeBeau is not perfect, and the Steelers went into a shell in the 2nd half, on both sides of the ball in my opinion. All of the good points on both sides of this debate have been made here, and in the other thread that spawned this one. Ike fell down. Ben's pass to the left side was poorly thrown. Two dropped INTs. Zero offensive 2nd half points. Backup center. We still won. I admire this site and just about everyone on it for the spot-on analysis, the attention to detail and, most of all, the absolute, no holds barred, deep seated Steeler fanmanship and enthusiasm. All that having been said, I (and maybe its only me) have a tougher time focusing on the important, factual elements of these discussions when they become "dick suck" this, and "head up your ass " that etc., etc. I'm just sayin'...

[Steel Holiday Profile]

More good points, is.

Some breaks went against our team, and it wasn't like the Jets weren't trying. Besides, any bully can pound inferior competition into the ground, but a hall of fame bully will slit his opponents wrists and allow him to fight out for more than he is worth

The Stillers are going to the Super Bowl. This is what matters

[Steeler Jim Profile]

I believe this game will come down to coaching, a) initial game plan - Steeler should ...with the ball run two-minute 4-WR, call roll outs to get GB - D off balance, run Mendy out of spread formations - you have to give them your usual formations but run play that are different from your tendencies - pull out all the stops, etc. and b) in-game adjustments have to fill the gaps. I've got to be honest I cannot point to one game that D.L. or B.A. out coached the other team with their in-game adjustments. But that doesn't mean you fire these guys, rather, I think is comes down to Tomlin making sure we play to win and don't let either coordinator get conservative (go turtle during the game) in this or any game.

In ususal Steeler fashion this will be a close game and probably be decided on which QB has the ball last.

Go Steelers