View topic - JEFF REED'S AGENT INSPIRED BY JANIKOWSKI CONTRACT

[stillgrill Profile]

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10048/1036378-66.stm

now Reed's greedy agent's gonna want $4M per, like Janikowski. He's arguing that Reed has higher FG % over last 3 yrs.

The agent should also consider that Janikowski had 21 touchbacks last season, vs 3 for Reed. The avg for 21 AFC kickers last yr was 8 touchbacks in '09, led by Denver's kicker Prater (28). Can you friggin imagine if Reed even had HALF as many as Prater, last season? Reed averaged a touchback of 3.7% of the time he kicked off - overall, 28 kickers had MORE touchbacks than Reed in '09!!

You want to put an end to spec team woes? -Have a kicker who doesn't even allow returns!!!

[KreidersRage Profile]

It's one thing for Raiders fans to want to be rid of Al Davis, but we're getting closer to the point where EVERY fanbase wants to get rid of the bastard for his insistence on screwing everyone in the league as often as possible.

[Steelers76 Profile]

As much as I want to see Reed return to The Steelers in 2010, his agent also needs to consider that Janikowski is more valuable to a team like Oakland because Janikowski is often the only player preventing multiple shut out defeats for his sqaud.(As opposed to regular, 38-3 setbacks.)

[IronCity__Man Profile]

I created a scatterplot for the correlation of touchback pct and field goal pct of 2009 kickers that pull double duty. I really wish I could add that here because it illustrates the difficult task of finding a kicker that excels in both. Basically there are a cluster of kickers in Reeds field goal pct range that have only slightly better touchback rates.

There are only 5 kickers in the NFL that really excell at both; that is kicker greater than 85% FG rate and greater than 17% Touchback rate. There are 7 other kickers with > 15% touchback rates but have lover than 80% FG rate.

So, these data probably point out the fact that finding a double duty kicker that is much better than Reed at TBs and can still split the uprights consistently as he does is tough. Steelers should begin thinking about a kickoff specialist.

By the way, Billy Cundiff from Baltimore had the lowest touchback rate and one of the lowest FG percentages. Couldn't happen to a better team.

[clarioncall Profile]

Good post, Iron City. Obviously a lot of research. Very informative.

I still say incentivize this felonious blow dryer assault artist for tackling a returner. I know it won't happen but geez, can't he at least get in the way of one of his returns. Can't he at least reach out and "touch someone"?

You could hang 2 games and possibly a case for a 3rd loss on him. He is money on the 3's, I grant you, but after all his "issues", I would like to see some love shown back - just push someone out-of-bounds once in a while.

Yeah, that'll happen.

He'll get his money.

[IronCity__Man Profile]

Although, one missing piece of data is the rate of kickoffs to the 12 yard line.

[stillgrill Profile]

Great followup stats ICman. However, I disagree that there is a correlation between an accurate kicker & kickoffs. On FG's you only have 2-3 steps. On kickoffs, you can have pretty much any amount of steps. I think one reason Reeds kickoffs suck egg so much is because you only see him taking 3-4 steps on kickoffs while others around the league look like they take more. Just an observation.

[IronCity__Man Profile]

Great followup stats ICman. However, I disagree that there is a correlation between an accurate kicker & kickoffs. On FG's you only have 2-3 steps. On kickoffs, you can have pretty much any amount of steps. I think one reason Reeds kickoffs suck egg so much is because you only see him taking 3-4 steps on kickoffs while others around the league look like they take more. Just an observation.

Actually I was saying I looked at the correlation and the answer to that was there was no positive or negative relationship. In fact, the best fit line of this graph is just flat. And that is exactly the problem because you don't get a kicker very often who is good at both leaving the steelers with a difficult tradeoff quandry of not being able to better themselves in one area without the risk of hurting yourself in the other.

It never hit me about the number of steps Reed takes. I am to busy refilling while he is kicking off.

One set of "kickers" i removed from the analysis was punters who pull kicking duty. There are some punters that kickoff very well. I am sure the steelers have already tried Seppy at it.

[TheStillerWay86 Profile]

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10048/1036378-66.stm

now Reed's greedy agent's gonna want $4M per, like Janikowski. He's arguing that Reed has higher FG % over last 3 yrs.

The agent should also consider that Janikowski had 21 touchbacks last season, vs 3 for Reed. The avg for 21 AFC kickers last yr was 8 touchbacks in '09, led by Denver's kicker Prater (28). Can you friggin imagine if Reed even had HALF as many as Prater, last season? Reed averaged a touchback of 3.7% of the time he kicked off - overall, 28 kickers had MORE touchbacks than Reed in '09!!

You want to put an end to spec team woes? -Have a kicker who doesn't even allow returns!!!

Reed needs his money, who gives a fuck if he drinks. I got countless underage drinking tickets in my youth from the MPD. Reed makes his fg's. He deserves his $. Reed + Alcohol = Ben + Protection.

[ginojohn Profile]

Jeff Reed is overrated. he was partially responsible for at least three losses last year. maybe more with his crappy kickoffs and missed tackles?
With his off field antics, and worthless kickoffs,which will probably be getting worse, and the money he will want, get rid of him! remember, a new broom sweeps clean!!

[smheart78 Profile]

I dread our kickoffs. But most of the blame does not go to Reed. I haven't felt this comfortable with a field goal kicker since Anderson. Anderson's best FG% was 93.3% (12 seasons?) with the Steelers, but most often kicked below 80%. Jeff Reed has been 87%, 87% and 92% his last 3 seasons. He deserves some sort of compliment to his contract for that ability alone.

He has been solid since 2002, at 31, he has many good years left. http://news.steelers.com/team/player/49239/