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Why are the steelers 6-6? SALARY CAP. seriously.
by Hi5Steeler » Wed Dec 09, 2009 5:22 pm
Share A Closer Look At The Steelers Salary Cap Situation To Better Understand The Team's Struggles In 2009
by Blitzburgh on Dec 9, 2009 8:38 AM EST 62 comments
Just a conversation starter here that I'm eager to get your take on. The subject - how the Steelers have been forced to balance out the spending they did re-signing key veterans by keeping an unusually high number of rookies and other inexperienced, low paid players on the roster.
Let's take a look at just how much of the team's allotted salary cap has gone to paying the team's better players. The chart below shows how much more the Steelers are shelling out this year to pay their top players than they did even just a year ago. There are a myriad different variables as to why this is - and we'll get in to some of them in this post as well as in follow-up posts - but for now, let me just say that the preliminary point of this exercise is to show how the Rooneys were forced to counterbalance this reality by keeping an unusually high volume of young players (rookies in particular) on this year's roster in order to keep the balance sheets in check. This will also be the case in 2010. The hope though is that the experience gained this year by the raw young talent will pay dividends in 2010 and 2011 when the core group of key players the team's invested heavily in will still be around and capable of playing at a high enough level to lead the team towards more Super Bowl glory.
For any of you all out there who own your own business or are involved in accounting, finance, economics, or even just payroll or something else Human Resources related, you know how operations almost exclusively are run off an Excel spreadsheet. In business, you increase a profit margin a smidge here and a smidge there with calculated and clearly defined decision. In the NFL, your actions are shaped primarily by the looming annual salary cap figure - a hard cap that all teams must abide by unlike in Major League Baseball or the National Basketball Association.
That's not to say I understand the ins and outs of how the Steelers front office is running this team based on salary figures alone. But I do feel confident saying that what we're seeing this year - that is an abundance of young pups being asked to make major contributions for a defending champion team - is a product of the pressures the organization is feeling this year and next to keep their books balanced.
Let's take a closer look.
2008 NFL Salary Cap: ~$116.7 million
2009 NFL Salary Cap: ~$127 million
Name 2008 Cap Hit 2009 Cap Hit +/- Delta
Ryan Clark $ 2.2 $2.4 + $.2
James Farrior $ 4.05 $3.98 - $.7
Casey Hampton $ 5.4 $6.6 + $1.2
James Harrison $1.55 $ 5.75 + $4.2
Justin Hartwig $ 1.49 $ 2.23 + $.74
Chris Hoke $ 1.48 $ 1.67 + $.19
Santonio Holmes $ 1.74 $ 1.6 - $.14
Brett Keisel $ 3.15 $ 5.0 + $1.85
Rashard Mendenhall $ 1.19 $ 1.48 + $.29
Heath Miller $ 1.7 $ 4.67 + $2.97
Mewelde Moore $ 1.1 $ 1.92 + $.81
Willie Parker $ 4.09 $ 4.53 + $.44
Troy Polamalu $ 6.82 $ 6.49 - $.33
Jeff Reed $ 1.96 $ 1.96 $0
Ben Roethlisberger $ 7.97 $ 13.2 + $5.23
Aaron Smith $ 4.75 $ 3.95 - $.8
Ike Taylor $ 3.74 $ 5.67 + $1.93
Lawrence Timmons $ 1.75 $ 2.1 + $.35
Deshea Townsend $ 1.97 $ 2.37 + $.4
Hines Ward $ 6.7 $ 5.6 - $1.1
Max Starks $ 6.89 $ 5.5 - $1.39
Chris Kemoeatu $ 1.42 $ 2.8 + $1.38
Willie Colon $ .54 $ 2.2 + $1.66
------- ------- ------- -------
$73.65 $93.67 + $20.02
Initial Conclusion(s):
We'll try to go a bit deeper, but simply put, the Steelers paid a bigger slice of their yearly pie to their top players in 2009 than they did in 2008. The Salary Cap jumped about $10 million dollars from '08 to '09, yet the Steelers salary cap allotment to their 'upper crust' players jumped more than $20 million bucks.
What does that mean? Well, lots of things I suppose, including that the front office really believes in investing in a certain core group of players.
More importantly though, it means that there were tough decisions and risks to be taken in order to fill out a complete roster that fell under the salary cap. What's the easiest way to achieve that end? By keeping a bunch of rookies and other young players in their rookie contracts.
When you have an army of scouts as talented and ubiquitous as the Steelers organization, you can live with calculated risks like replacing a Bryant McFadden with William Gay; or hoping your young DBs fill the void left by cutting veteran special teams stalwarts like Anthony Madison. Then there's the occasional gaffe made by even the most competent front offices - like say the Kendall Simmons extension that is still costing the Steelers in 2009, more than a year after Simmons last took a snap in the Black 'N Gold. Basically, for every reaction, there's an equal and opposite reaction. In the salary-cap era of the NFL that means for every extra dollar you pay Player X, you have to find a way to pay Player Y less, or you must replace Player Y with a less expensive option, Player Z. You just have to roll the dice at times that the young Player Z is ready to perform on the big stage sooner rather than later.
Some other thoughts about these figures. As always, please jump in and share your insights on what you see and what you think it all means in the bigger picture.
*This is why we weren't able to retain Bryant McFadden, even for the paltry sum that the Cardinals ultimately paid him. You have to make up for the dramatic increase in salary expenditures somewhere.
*Same for Larry Foote. Did we release him because he was 'washed up'? No, no we did not. We did so because he was making too much money compared to what Lawrence Timmons and Keyaron Fox were making. Had there been some more money to work with, I guarantee you Foote gets re-signed. Perhaps some egos get damaged a bit as Dick LeBeau shuffles the talented quartet of Farrior, Timmons, Foote and Fox. But that extra experienced body would have come in handy looking back at things, no?
*By the way, this is also why Anthony Madison was originally let go. Madison, the team's top special teams ace in 2008, was released for salary cap purposes alone. The reality of it is that he was set to make close somewhere between 300-400k more than rookies like Joe Burnett, Keenan Lewis, or even 3rd year man William Gay. That's a risk the front office has to take. Said differently, you free up that extra bit of cap space to pay premium players and just hope that the youngsters come close to filling the production void left by a guy like Madison's departure. It hasn't quite worked out that way. And it certainly hasn't worked out that way (at least if you ask me) in terms of replacing McFadden with Gay for salary purposes.
*Perhaps the biggest waste of money this year - at least on a guy who's actually suiting up each week and not 'dead money' - is veteran DB Deshea Townsend. The 11 year vet has a cap value of $2.3 million this year. For what? I respect and appreciate loyalty to veterans, but in hindsight, the Steelers should have released him this summer.
*Another guy who I absolutely love but am beginning to question whether he's worth the price tag is Mewelde Moore. Last year, Moore earned just $1.1 million. This year, his cap value is just a shade under $2 million. I heart MM at the former price tag; not quite as much at the later.
*If you were wondering why Jeff Reed wasn't signed this summer, let me just say that it probably had very little to do with his proclivity to destroy towel dispensers and much more to do with the fact that he could be replaced by an unknown young kicker that our scouts liked for about 1/5 the cost - at most. Even more money needs to be freed up to pay for guys like LaMarr Woodley and Santonio Holmes - so expect another round of retooling next year to make room for those guys our front office believes are harder to replace than guys like Reed.
*I didn't include it in the chart, but it's worth noting that Kendall Simmons is also taking up a sizable chunk of salary cap room as 'dead money'. If my figures are correct, he's taking up close to $5 million of cap space this year despite not having taken a snap in God knows how long. Again, these kinds of unforeseen circumstances require adjustments that may seem less risky or consequential on paper than they play out to be.
I had originally decided to not post this and keep working on it until it was better written and more thoroughly thought out on my end. The idea kind of came to me just last night, and I tried to fit all this in in between finishing up my obligations for two of my final graduate school classes. There's more I'd like to say and elaborate on, but what the hell, it's 5:30 out here and I may not get a chance to get back to it for another day or so. So I'll just open it up to you all's thoughts for now, and will definitely revisit it myself soon enough.
In the meantime, perhaps this will provide a new narrative as to why the Steelers are undergoing some of the mystifying problems they're experiencing so far in the 2009 season.
Thoughts?
http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/20 ... #storyjump
by Blitzburgh on Dec 9, 2009 8:38 AM EST 62 comments
Just a conversation starter here that I'm eager to get your take on. The subject - how the Steelers have been forced to balance out the spending they did re-signing key veterans by keeping an unusually high number of rookies and other inexperienced, low paid players on the roster.
Let's take a look at just how much of the team's allotted salary cap has gone to paying the team's better players. The chart below shows how much more the Steelers are shelling out this year to pay their top players than they did even just a year ago. There are a myriad different variables as to why this is - and we'll get in to some of them in this post as well as in follow-up posts - but for now, let me just say that the preliminary point of this exercise is to show how the Rooneys were forced to counterbalance this reality by keeping an unusually high volume of young players (rookies in particular) on this year's roster in order to keep the balance sheets in check. This will also be the case in 2010. The hope though is that the experience gained this year by the raw young talent will pay dividends in 2010 and 2011 when the core group of key players the team's invested heavily in will still be around and capable of playing at a high enough level to lead the team towards more Super Bowl glory.
For any of you all out there who own your own business or are involved in accounting, finance, economics, or even just payroll or something else Human Resources related, you know how operations almost exclusively are run off an Excel spreadsheet. In business, you increase a profit margin a smidge here and a smidge there with calculated and clearly defined decision. In the NFL, your actions are shaped primarily by the looming annual salary cap figure - a hard cap that all teams must abide by unlike in Major League Baseball or the National Basketball Association.
That's not to say I understand the ins and outs of how the Steelers front office is running this team based on salary figures alone. But I do feel confident saying that what we're seeing this year - that is an abundance of young pups being asked to make major contributions for a defending champion team - is a product of the pressures the organization is feeling this year and next to keep their books balanced.
Let's take a closer look.
2008 NFL Salary Cap: ~$116.7 million
2009 NFL Salary Cap: ~$127 million
Name 2008 Cap Hit 2009 Cap Hit +/- Delta
Ryan Clark $ 2.2 $2.4 + $.2
James Farrior $ 4.05 $3.98 - $.7
Casey Hampton $ 5.4 $6.6 + $1.2
James Harrison $1.55 $ 5.75 + $4.2
Justin Hartwig $ 1.49 $ 2.23 + $.74
Chris Hoke $ 1.48 $ 1.67 + $.19
Santonio Holmes $ 1.74 $ 1.6 - $.14
Brett Keisel $ 3.15 $ 5.0 + $1.85
Rashard Mendenhall $ 1.19 $ 1.48 + $.29
Heath Miller $ 1.7 $ 4.67 + $2.97
Mewelde Moore $ 1.1 $ 1.92 + $.81
Willie Parker $ 4.09 $ 4.53 + $.44
Troy Polamalu $ 6.82 $ 6.49 - $.33
Jeff Reed $ 1.96 $ 1.96 $0
Ben Roethlisberger $ 7.97 $ 13.2 + $5.23
Aaron Smith $ 4.75 $ 3.95 - $.8
Ike Taylor $ 3.74 $ 5.67 + $1.93
Lawrence Timmons $ 1.75 $ 2.1 + $.35
Deshea Townsend $ 1.97 $ 2.37 + $.4
Hines Ward $ 6.7 $ 5.6 - $1.1
Max Starks $ 6.89 $ 5.5 - $1.39
Chris Kemoeatu $ 1.42 $ 2.8 + $1.38
Willie Colon $ .54 $ 2.2 + $1.66
------- ------- ------- -------
$73.65 $93.67 + $20.02
Initial Conclusion(s):
We'll try to go a bit deeper, but simply put, the Steelers paid a bigger slice of their yearly pie to their top players in 2009 than they did in 2008. The Salary Cap jumped about $10 million dollars from '08 to '09, yet the Steelers salary cap allotment to their 'upper crust' players jumped more than $20 million bucks.
What does that mean? Well, lots of things I suppose, including that the front office really believes in investing in a certain core group of players.
More importantly though, it means that there were tough decisions and risks to be taken in order to fill out a complete roster that fell under the salary cap. What's the easiest way to achieve that end? By keeping a bunch of rookies and other young players in their rookie contracts.
When you have an army of scouts as talented and ubiquitous as the Steelers organization, you can live with calculated risks like replacing a Bryant McFadden with William Gay; or hoping your young DBs fill the void left by cutting veteran special teams stalwarts like Anthony Madison. Then there's the occasional gaffe made by even the most competent front offices - like say the Kendall Simmons extension that is still costing the Steelers in 2009, more than a year after Simmons last took a snap in the Black 'N Gold. Basically, for every reaction, there's an equal and opposite reaction. In the salary-cap era of the NFL that means for every extra dollar you pay Player X, you have to find a way to pay Player Y less, or you must replace Player Y with a less expensive option, Player Z. You just have to roll the dice at times that the young Player Z is ready to perform on the big stage sooner rather than later.
Some other thoughts about these figures. As always, please jump in and share your insights on what you see and what you think it all means in the bigger picture.
*This is why we weren't able to retain Bryant McFadden, even for the paltry sum that the Cardinals ultimately paid him. You have to make up for the dramatic increase in salary expenditures somewhere.
*Same for Larry Foote. Did we release him because he was 'washed up'? No, no we did not. We did so because he was making too much money compared to what Lawrence Timmons and Keyaron Fox were making. Had there been some more money to work with, I guarantee you Foote gets re-signed. Perhaps some egos get damaged a bit as Dick LeBeau shuffles the talented quartet of Farrior, Timmons, Foote and Fox. But that extra experienced body would have come in handy looking back at things, no?
*By the way, this is also why Anthony Madison was originally let go. Madison, the team's top special teams ace in 2008, was released for salary cap purposes alone. The reality of it is that he was set to make close somewhere between 300-400k more than rookies like Joe Burnett, Keenan Lewis, or even 3rd year man William Gay. That's a risk the front office has to take. Said differently, you free up that extra bit of cap space to pay premium players and just hope that the youngsters come close to filling the production void left by a guy like Madison's departure. It hasn't quite worked out that way. And it certainly hasn't worked out that way (at least if you ask me) in terms of replacing McFadden with Gay for salary purposes.
*Perhaps the biggest waste of money this year - at least on a guy who's actually suiting up each week and not 'dead money' - is veteran DB Deshea Townsend. The 11 year vet has a cap value of $2.3 million this year. For what? I respect and appreciate loyalty to veterans, but in hindsight, the Steelers should have released him this summer.
*Another guy who I absolutely love but am beginning to question whether he's worth the price tag is Mewelde Moore. Last year, Moore earned just $1.1 million. This year, his cap value is just a shade under $2 million. I heart MM at the former price tag; not quite as much at the later.
*If you were wondering why Jeff Reed wasn't signed this summer, let me just say that it probably had very little to do with his proclivity to destroy towel dispensers and much more to do with the fact that he could be replaced by an unknown young kicker that our scouts liked for about 1/5 the cost - at most. Even more money needs to be freed up to pay for guys like LaMarr Woodley and Santonio Holmes - so expect another round of retooling next year to make room for those guys our front office believes are harder to replace than guys like Reed.
*I didn't include it in the chart, but it's worth noting that Kendall Simmons is also taking up a sizable chunk of salary cap room as 'dead money'. If my figures are correct, he's taking up close to $5 million of cap space this year despite not having taken a snap in God knows how long. Again, these kinds of unforeseen circumstances require adjustments that may seem less risky or consequential on paper than they play out to be.
I had originally decided to not post this and keep working on it until it was better written and more thoroughly thought out on my end. The idea kind of came to me just last night, and I tried to fit all this in in between finishing up my obligations for two of my final graduate school classes. There's more I'd like to say and elaborate on, but what the hell, it's 5:30 out here and I may not get a chance to get back to it for another day or so. So I'll just open it up to you all's thoughts for now, and will definitely revisit it myself soon enough.
In the meantime, perhaps this will provide a new narrative as to why the Steelers are undergoing some of the mystifying problems they're experiencing so far in the 2009 season.
Thoughts?
http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/20 ... #storyjump
Re: Why are the steelers 6-6? SALARY CAP. seriously.
by smheart78 » Wed Dec 09, 2009 5:44 pm
Incredably great post and exactly the sort of stuff I come back here for.
I wonder if the dreadful '06 season had any similarities to the woes of this season in terms of cap space, and, and this may seem obvious, winning a superbowl makes some players cost more the following off-season.
I wonder if the dreadful '06 season had any similarities to the woes of this season in terms of cap space, and, and this may seem obvious, winning a superbowl makes some players cost more the following off-season.
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Re: Why are the steelers 6-6? SALARY CAP. seriously.
by Hi5Steeler » Wed Dec 09, 2009 5:50 pm
06 was more the bengal fan grandma that ran over big ben when she made a left turn right into his motorcycle driving straight at 30 mph. That was likely a cincitucky hit put out on ben.
then the operation he had.....
then the concussion they threw him back in 7 days later.... 4 interceptions that game in oakland....
then the operation he had.....
then the concussion they threw him back in 7 days later.... 4 interceptions that game in oakland....
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Re: Why are the steelers 6-6? SALARY CAP. seriously.
by kurtostill » Wed Dec 09, 2009 6:39 pm
Hi5, I think you’re on to something here. The salary cap inherently makes it tough to keep high dollar stars and quality journeymen at the same time. Every roster is made up of a significant amount of low paid rookies and marginal free agents. This is what makes it so tough to repeat in the NFL. And it’s one of the reasons why the NFL doesn’t completely suck like MLB.
This is also why good coaching is so vital. I think MeMo, for example, is a highly productive player on a team with a decent OC. He’s a tough runner, solid receiver and has a nose for the 1st down marker. It comes down to game planning based on maximizing the talents of the players you do have. Something Bunghole Arians couldn’t do if his life depended on it.
This is also why good coaching is so vital. I think MeMo, for example, is a highly productive player on a team with a decent OC. He’s a tough runner, solid receiver and has a nose for the 1st down marker. It comes down to game planning based on maximizing the talents of the players you do have. Something Bunghole Arians couldn’t do if his life depended on it.
Re: Why are the steelers 6-6? SALARY CAP. seriously.
by Coke Oven » Thu Dec 10, 2009 8:57 am
I've always believed in following the money when trying to explain what goes on in the nfl or with the Steelers. Couple of additional questions I'd like to see covered in your analysis if possible.
Doesn't relate to salary cap but how are the Steeler coaches compensated for their efforts?
What differentiates the Steeler financial picture from all of the other teams in the nfl? If the Steeler money was poorly spent then why is that so?
Doesn't relate to salary cap but how are the Steeler coaches compensated for their efforts?
What differentiates the Steeler financial picture from all of the other teams in the nfl? If the Steeler money was poorly spent then why is that so?
Re: Why are the steelers 6-6? SALARY CAP. seriously.
by steelwest » Thu Dec 10, 2009 11:51 am
Great analysis. It is nice to see a thoughtful approach every once in a while versus the ongoing rants about how various coaches and players are morons that are normally seen here.
You hit the nail on the head. We cannot keep everyone so it comes down to selective decisions. Of course, making successful decisions is what it is all about. This year we failed.
A few injuries contributed but they always do. Last year, I thought our team was coming into its own but I marveled at certain depth (five quality LBs, 4 decent corners, good DL rotation). This year we have lost those benefits.
I really think our front line players are more talented this year. However, they have bigger egos, there is more reasons for jealousy on who got paid and who did not, and more reason for concern about the upcoming off-season.
As to off-seasons acquisitions, the FO failed miserably in upgrading the OL, failed miserably in bringing in any secondary help, failed to bring in any significant help for the DL (we drafted someone but he plays sparingly). Meanwhile, teams like the Packers are playing a seventh round pick at OLB who is lightling people up. Makes a big difference.
The other problem is this is a highlight reel offense year. Last year, the D was controlling. See Titans. Stillers, Ravens. This year Saints, Chargers, Colts. Throw the ball all over the field teams. Play a little D but outscore your opponents. Steelers do not play that way and thus get beat trying to stop the other team at end of the game. Same reason they lost back in early 80s when they allowed the game to come down to stopping Dan Fouts and the Chargers on the last drive.
You hit the nail on the head. We cannot keep everyone so it comes down to selective decisions. Of course, making successful decisions is what it is all about. This year we failed.
A few injuries contributed but they always do. Last year, I thought our team was coming into its own but I marveled at certain depth (five quality LBs, 4 decent corners, good DL rotation). This year we have lost those benefits.
I really think our front line players are more talented this year. However, they have bigger egos, there is more reasons for jealousy on who got paid and who did not, and more reason for concern about the upcoming off-season.
As to off-seasons acquisitions, the FO failed miserably in upgrading the OL, failed miserably in bringing in any secondary help, failed to bring in any significant help for the DL (we drafted someone but he plays sparingly). Meanwhile, teams like the Packers are playing a seventh round pick at OLB who is lightling people up. Makes a big difference.
The other problem is this is a highlight reel offense year. Last year, the D was controlling. See Titans. Stillers, Ravens. This year Saints, Chargers, Colts. Throw the ball all over the field teams. Play a little D but outscore your opponents. Steelers do not play that way and thus get beat trying to stop the other team at end of the game. Same reason they lost back in early 80s when they allowed the game to come down to stopping Dan Fouts and the Chargers on the last drive.
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Re: Why are the steelers 6-6? SALARY CAP. seriously.
by frankensmith91 » Thu Dec 10, 2009 1:00 pm
their #2 corner has a 4.67 40 yd dash. that probably has something to do with it
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Re: Why are the steelers 6-6? SALARY CAP. seriously.
by IronCity__Man » Thu Dec 10, 2009 1:08 pm
and their starting Strong Safety, who boasted a 4.4 8 years ago barely lifts his knees up when he runs and probably comes in at 4.9. Sorry to dummy up a good thread but didn't have time to think.
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Re: Why are the steelers 6-6? SALARY CAP. seriously.
by Hi5Steeler » Thu Dec 10, 2009 4:26 pm
Doesn't relate to salary cap but how are the Steeler coaches compensated for their efforts?
there is no salary cap on coaching. steelers try to stay in line with the other nfl teams.
What differentiates the Steeler financial picture from all of the other teams in the nfl? If the Steeler money was poorly spent then why is that so?
steeler financial picture is identical to almost all team i.e. they spend all the way to cap. The PROBLEM is when YOUR team wins a superbowl. it inflates player egos on their individual value and does so for opposing teams looking to get better. right or wrong when you win a SB your players become more valuable. The steelers have a DOUBLE WHAMMY as they won superbowl XL and XLIII thats TWO superbowls in FOUR years.
What that means is we have to hand out MAJOR money to our main starters. and to re sign average players costs more.
If big ben didnt win superbowl 40 or 43 we would not have had to re sign him for 100 million. or pay hines ward 6million a year for becoming superbowl MVP.
we will get hammered when we re sign santonio holmes as he won us a superbowl and was also MVP.
winning a lot of game and especially superbowls makes it hell to keep a great team together. that is why there is so much parity in the league.
why then do teams like the colts and pats and eagles and steelers always rise to the top?
GREAT OWNERSHIP
GREAT COACHING
more so than any other thing including the players.
that is why I get SO pissed off when morons scream to fire tomlin fire lebeau fire arians fire fire fire is the only answer to the fan.
thank god OUR owners never listen to the fans....
case in point the BROWNS OWNER just sat down with fans to hear their grievances.....and to take action.....THAT is why they are the worst team in the nfl.
because their owner will do something that idiotic.
fact is fans dont know shit.
they dont know how to coach
they dont know how to train
they dont know how to negotiate or win or play pro football.....
the fans just dont know.
FANS just have to BELIEVE.
I believe.
I believe that if we dont even make the playoffs this year that next year we have a fantastic shot at the superbowl. why? because the steelers have the best of everything....players coaches owners.
some years though.....salary cap hits us....then injuries hit us....then all it takes is a missed play here or there.... A SINGLE PLAY to knock you out of the playoffs ...or put you in the final dance.....
for us it may have been a rookie 5th round pick joe burnett dropping a game ending interception.
thems the breaks in pro ball.
but i guarantee you if we didnt win two recent superbowls we would have a better overall secondary.
players accepting lower contracts and HIGHER draft picks..........if we sucked we would have drafted a better player than burnett to catch that int.
success has its price.
there is no salary cap on coaching. steelers try to stay in line with the other nfl teams.
What differentiates the Steeler financial picture from all of the other teams in the nfl? If the Steeler money was poorly spent then why is that so?
steeler financial picture is identical to almost all team i.e. they spend all the way to cap. The PROBLEM is when YOUR team wins a superbowl. it inflates player egos on their individual value and does so for opposing teams looking to get better. right or wrong when you win a SB your players become more valuable. The steelers have a DOUBLE WHAMMY as they won superbowl XL and XLIII thats TWO superbowls in FOUR years.
What that means is we have to hand out MAJOR money to our main starters. and to re sign average players costs more.
If big ben didnt win superbowl 40 or 43 we would not have had to re sign him for 100 million. or pay hines ward 6million a year for becoming superbowl MVP.
we will get hammered when we re sign santonio holmes as he won us a superbowl and was also MVP.
winning a lot of game and especially superbowls makes it hell to keep a great team together. that is why there is so much parity in the league.
why then do teams like the colts and pats and eagles and steelers always rise to the top?
GREAT OWNERSHIP
GREAT COACHING
more so than any other thing including the players.
that is why I get SO pissed off when morons scream to fire tomlin fire lebeau fire arians fire fire fire is the only answer to the fan.
thank god OUR owners never listen to the fans....
case in point the BROWNS OWNER just sat down with fans to hear their grievances.....and to take action.....THAT is why they are the worst team in the nfl.
because their owner will do something that idiotic.
fact is fans dont know shit.
they dont know how to coach
they dont know how to train
they dont know how to negotiate or win or play pro football.....
the fans just dont know.
FANS just have to BELIEVE.
I believe.
I believe that if we dont even make the playoffs this year that next year we have a fantastic shot at the superbowl. why? because the steelers have the best of everything....players coaches owners.
some years though.....salary cap hits us....then injuries hit us....then all it takes is a missed play here or there.... A SINGLE PLAY to knock you out of the playoffs ...or put you in the final dance.....
for us it may have been a rookie 5th round pick joe burnett dropping a game ending interception.
thems the breaks in pro ball.
but i guarantee you if we didnt win two recent superbowls we would have a better overall secondary.
players accepting lower contracts and HIGHER draft picks..........if we sucked we would have drafted a better player than burnett to catch that int.
success has its price.
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Re: Why are the steelers 6-6? SALARY CAP. seriously.
by SoCal Stiller » Thu Dec 10, 2009 4:47 pm
Hi5Steeler wrote:What differentiates the Steeler financial picture from all of the other teams in the nfl? If the Steeler money was poorly spent then why is that so?
steeler financial picture is identical to almost all team i.e. they spend all the way to cap. The PROBLEM is when YOUR team wins a superbowl. it inflates player egos on their individual value and does so for opposing teams looking to get better. right or wrong when you win a SB your players become more valuable. The steelers have a DOUBLE WHAMMY as they won superbowl XL and XLIII thats TWO superbowls in FOUR years.
What that means is we have to hand out MAJOR money to our main starters. and to re sign average players costs more.
If big ben didnt win superbowl 40 or 43 we would not have had to re sign him for 100 million. or pay hines ward 6million a year for becoming superbowl MVP.
I believe that if we dont even make the playoffs this year that next year we have a fantastic shot at the superbowl. why? because the steelers have the best of everything....players coaches owners.
Now this I agree with you on! (except remove Arians name from the post, of course!
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