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Ben Roethlisberger - A Historical Perspective

December 05, 2007 by CK Stiller

Ben Roethlisberger � A Historical Perspective

Ben Roethlisberger � A Historical Perspective

By: Steel Perch

 

It�s has been a hotly debated topic for some time now where Ben Roethlisberger stands in the hierarchy of today�s QB�s, and how he ranks historically vs. the greats.Take a look at any local Sunday paper, any message board, or watch any pre-game show and you�ll hear a ton of opinions ranging anywhere from Ben is equal to Rex Grossman to Ben is John Elway reincarnated.Typically you�ll see little statistical facts to back the arguments.Well finally, here is the article you have been looking for.

 

I decided to pull some stats and compare Ben to �The Big Nine� QB�s of the modern era.Simply put, I threw out any QB�s that played before the rule changes became more liberal for passers, so I�m only looking at the 9 HOF QB�s that played their career from 1980 - 2007.Anyone who played before that most likely won�t have stats that are as good as these modern guys (apples and oranges).The �Big 9� guys are: Montana, Marino, Young, Moon, Elway, Kelly, Favre, Manning, Brady, with Ben Roethlisberger for comparisons sake.�� Looking solely at the first four years of the career here is where these guys rank:

 

The Rankings amongst Ben and the �Big Nine�:

Ben Roethlisberger ranks as follows through their first four years:

#1 in Completion percentage

#1 in yards per Attempt

# 2 in QB rating behind only Marino

# 3 in TD�s (projected through end of year)

# 5 in yards (projected through end of year)

# 2 in win percentage behind Brady

 

QB Effectiveness:

My thoughts on QB play are that any knucklehead can throw for yards.Bad teams trail hence throw more.A quick look down the All time Passing Yardage charts will turn up Vinny Testaverde, Steve Deberg, Kerry Collins, Dave Kreig, and Jim Hart in the top 20!Those guys are hardly great QB�s.A John Kitna, Brad Johnson, or Tommy Maddox can end up near the top of the league in passing yards for a season.The best QB performance indicators are Yards Per Attempt (YPA), Completion % and QB Rating.Roethlisberger has shown he is the most efficient passer of this entire group over his first four years of his career.He has played in a fairly ground oriented system so his attempts, yards, and TD�s aren�t as high as some others, but when Ben has thrown the ball, he�s done so more effectively than anyone on this HOF list over his first four years.

 

For comparisons sake:

Ben will have three of his first four years with YPA over 8.0, a QB rating over 98, and a completion % over 625.For comparisons sake:

YPA - John Elway never broke 8 YPA for a season in his entire career, nor did Joe Montana, Warren Moon, or Tom Brady (until this year).Manning has done it only twice, Kelly 3 times.Ben will match that in his first 4 years.Mr Gunslinger himself, Brett Favre has never hit the YPA mark for a season!

Comp% - Elway, Kelly & Marino only broke 61% 3 times in their careers. Ben has done it 3 out of 4 years.

QB RatingsBen is head and shoulders above everyone but Marino for the first 4 years of their career.Ben is on pace to end his career as one of the top 3 highest rated QB�s to ever play the game.

 

 

The Number 23 & the third year slump:

Manning, Favre, Marino, Elway, Moon all had at least one 23 INT year in their first four years.Ben has taken a lot of heat for last year�s performance, but he went through the windshield of a Buick, had an appendectomy, and a concussion in a few month span just coming off an emotional playoff run and SB win.The funny thing is Ben�s worst year (75 QB rating) was better than the first four year total of Moon, Young, and Elway.You�ll never hear any national media folks cite that little tidbit.

Also, Elway, Moon, Kelly, and Favre all had set back years in their 3rd season.Brett Favre�s season 3 is eerily similar to Ben�s, sans windshield excuse.

 

 

The playoffs and SB:

Do you know who the highest rated passer in the playoffs is over the past two years?Ben Roethlisberger.While Tom Brady was intercepted at crucial times and threw away games for losses in 3 of his last 4 playoff games (although they ended up beating SD), Peyton Manning took a whooping vs. Pittsburgh two years ago and was pretty average in their SB run last year,Ben out performed all other QB�s.You�ll always get the �Ben sucked in the SB� argument.Yeah, he laid an egg, but the three road wins he had leading up to the big game were historically great, and he is 5-1 all time in the post season.Only Tom Brady has a better post season win%.People always forget how Marino wasn�t so hot in his only SB performance, Elway lost his first three, Kelly lost 4, and Moon never made one.They get a pass though I suppose.

 

Summary:

The typical media perception of Roethlisberger has been that he is a good QB that simply manages games, but pails in comparison to the great QB�s in the history of the game.I think the chart below proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that Ben in his first 4 years is as good, or better than any HOF QB we have seen in the past 25+ years.

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The Chart:

QB

Year

Comp

Att

%

Yards

YPA

TD

INT

Rating

Roethlisberger

2004

196

295

66.4

2621

8.9

17

11

98.1

Roethlisberger

2005

168

268

62.7

2385

8.9

17

9

98.6

Roethlisberger

2006

280

469

59.7

3513

7.5

18

23

75.4

Roethlisberger

2007

214

320

66.9

2564

8

25

11

102.9

totals

 

858

1352

63.46%

11083

8.197

77

54

91.47

Notes: Comp% above 62 % 3 times, Qb rating above 98 3 times, YPA above 8 3 times

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

QB

Year

Comp

Att

%

Yards

YPA

TD

INT

Rating

ELWAY

1983

123

259

47.5

1663

6.4

7

14

 

ELWAY

1984

214

380

56.3

2598

6.8

18

15

 

ELWAY

1985

327

605

54

3891

6.4

22

23

 

ELWAY

1986

280

504

55.6

3485

6.9

19

13

 

totals

 

944

1748

54.00%

11637

6.657

66

65

71.92

Notes: never broke 8 YPA in his career, only 25 TD's 4 times, 61% 3 times.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

QB

Year

Comp

Att

%

Yards

YPA

TD

INT

Rating

Marino

1983

173

296

58.4

2210

7.5

20

6

 

Marino

1984

362

564

64.2

5084

9

48

17

 

Marino

1985

336

567

59.3

4137

7.3

30

21

 

Marino

1986

378

623

60.7

4746

7.6

44

23

 

totals

 

1249

2050

60.93%

16177

7.891

142

67

95.21

Notes: only 3 years in entire career with comp% above 61%

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

QB

Year

Comp

Att

%

Yards

YPA

TD

INT

Rating

Montana

1979

13

23

56.5

96

4.2

1

0

 

Montana

1980

176

273

64.5

1795

6.6

15

9

 

Montana

1981

311

488

63.7

3565

7.3

19

12

 

Montana

1982

213

346

61.6

2613

7.6

17

11

 

totals

 

713

1130

63.10%

8069

7.141

52

32

87.96

Notes: only broke 8 ypa for a season once!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

QB

Year

Comp

Att

%

Yards

YPA

TD

INT

Rating

MOON

1984

259

450

57.6

3338

7.4

12

14

 

MOON

1985

200

377

53.1

2709

7.2

15

19

 

MOON

1986

256

488

52.5

3489

7.1

13

26

 

MOON

1987

184

368

50

2806

7.6

21

18

 

totals

 

899

1683

53.42%

12342

7.333

61

77

70.17

Notes: Only once over8ypa and twice over 61% for career, 3 years over 25 tds

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

QB

Year

Comp

Att

%

Yards

YPA

TD

INT

Rating

Kelly

1986

285

480

59.4

3593

7.5

22

17

 

Kelly

1987

250

419

59.7

2798

6.7

19

11

 

Kelly

1988

269

452

59.5

3380

7.5

15

17

 

Kelly

1989

228

391

58.3

3130

8

25

18

 

totals

 

1032

1742

59.24%

12901

7.406

81

63

82.74

3 times in career over 61% and 3 times over 8 YPA.Only had a 25 Td season twice in career.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

QB

Year

Comp

Att

%

Yards

YPA

TD

INT

Rating

Favre

1991

0

4

0

0

0

0

2

 

Favre

1992

302

471

64.1

3227

6.9

18

13

 

Favre

1993

318

522

60.9

3303

6.3

19

24

 

Favre

1994

363

582

62.4

3882

6.7

33

14

 

totals

 

983

1579

62.25%

10412

6.594

70

53

82.23

NEVER over 8 YPA in career! MR Gunslinger..3rd year = Bens windshield year; First 4 year stat totals = Ben's

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

QB

Year

Comp

Att

%

Yards

YPA

TD

INT

Rating

Manning

1998

326

575

56.7

3739

6.5

26

28

 

Manning

1999

331

533

62.1

4135

7.8

26

15

 

Manning

2000

357

571

62.5

4413

7.7

33

15

 

Manning

2001

343

547

62.7

4131

7.6

26

23

 

totals

 

1357

2226

60.96%

16418

7.376

111

81

85.08

only twice over 8 YPA

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

QB

Year

Comp

Att

%

Yards

YPA

TD

INT

Rating

Brady

2000

1

3

33.3

6

2

0

0

 

Brady

2001

264

413

63.9

2843

6.9

18

12

 

Brady

2002

373

601

62.1

3764

6.3

28

14

 

Brady

2003

317

527

60.2

3620

6.9

23

12

 

totals

 

955

1544

61.85%

10233

6.628

69

38

85.88

Never over 8 YPA for a season (until this year)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

QB

Year

Comp

Att

%

Yards

YPA

TD

INT

Rating

Young

1985

72

138

52.2

935

6.8

3

8

 

Young

1986

195

363

53.7

2282

6.3

8

13

 

Young

1987

37

69

53.6

570

8.3

10

0

 

Young

1988

54

101

53.5

680

6.7

3

3

 

totals

 

358

671

53.35%

4467

6.657

24

24

71.3

Only 4 seasons with 25+ Td's

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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