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So, you want to draft a QB?

February 16, 2003 by Steel Phantom

So you want to draft a QB

So you want to draft a QB?

 

Some draft gurus are projecting that the Steelers will have the opportunity to draft Cal QB Kyle Boller this spring at 1.27.It goes without saying that this would be a future value type projection as QB rookies rarely make an immediate contribution to any team and, still less, to any contending team.�� That�s not all bad; top prospects at any number of positions may take some time to develop; even a primetime defender like Rod Woodson took a year or two to hit full-stride.Still, for a team like the PS that has extended a number of 30-pushing vets so to �keep the window open�, spending a 1st round pick on a two-year non-contributor is not an obvious choice.If last season the Steelers were a couple of DB from advancing then you�d figure the FO to fill their board with D-backs.While you could argue that in doing so, they may mortgage the future (selecting, say, an RFR CB in place of their O-side leader, circa 2005), the facts suggest otherwise.

 

The table below displays about fifty active QB by round selected.Nearly all had more than a couple starts last season; most were considered �the guy� at some point or other.The bold face type indicates those active QB who have had a Super Bowl appearance; after all, that is the point.It is notable that five QB drafted in the first two rounds have gone on to the big dance; six drafted thereafter went too.Give or take, the distribution is similarly even for both Pro Bowl QB and passing leaders.In this table, (players in parentheses) finished the year as backups.

 

 

Slot selected or round

Player

Total number

1st overall

(Vinnie Testaverde)

(Jeff George)

Drew Bledsoe

Kerry Collins

Peyton Manning

(Tim Couch)

Michael Vick

David Carr

8

 

 

 

 

 

Within the last decade, John Elway and Troy Aikman had some success too.

2nd thru 5th overall

Steve McNair

Donovan McNabb

(Akili Smith)

Joey Harrington

4

 

Notable busts include Heath Shuler, Rich Meier, Ryan Leaf and Akili Smith

Remainder of 1st round

Tommy Maddox, mid-20�s.

(Trent Dilfer), top 10

Dauntae Culpepper, 1.11

Chad Pennington, 1.18

Patrick Ramsey, deep 20�s

5

 

In living memory, Jim Kelly, Dan Marino and Steve Young had some success too; among others, Cabe McNown busted.

2nd round

Brett Favre

(Kordell Stewart)

(Charlie Batch)

(Shaun King)

(Quincy Carter)

Drew Brees

6

3rd round

Chris Chandler

(Neil O�Donnell)

Jake Plummer

Brian Griese

(Chris Redmon)

5

 

 

 

A few years previous, Joe Montana won a few.

4th round

Steve Beuerlein

Rich Gannon

(Danny Wuerffel)

Aaron Brooks

(Chris Weinke)

5

5th round

Mark Brunell

Mike McMahon

2

6th round

Rodney Peete

Jeff Blake

Jim Miller

Matt Hasselbeck

Mark Bulger

Tom Brady

6

 

 

 

 

Mark Rypien

7th round

(Gus Frerotte)

1

8th thru Rookie Free Agent

Brad Johnson

(Shane Matthews)

Trent Green

Jay Fiedler

Kelly Holcombe

Jon Kitna

(Kurt Warner)

Jeff Garcia

Chad Hutchinson

9

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Jeff Hostatler

 

Six to twenty years ago, this list would have looked different.The first round of the QB-deep class of 1983 provided four Super Bowl QB to be; those included Elway, Kelly, Tony Eason and Marino.Inarguably, Elway, Kelly and Marino were primarily responsible for much of the success their teams enjoyed; considering other QB now retired, you could make that case for Aikman, Young and Montana too.�� Of those six franchise type QB, five were 1st round picks, including two at 1.1.Phil Simms and Doug Williams also were former 1st round picks that won SB in the 80�s but, then again, late-round selections Jeff Hostatler and Mark Rypien did the same with nearly identical editions of those NYG and WashSkins.

 

The 80�s and 90�s were top end heavy QB-wise but that is not true today.Now, the franchise types are pretty evenly distributed; for every Manning, there is a Warner, for every McNair a Gannon and for every McNabb a Brooks or Garcia.Hell, for every Couch there is a Holcombe and for every Bledsoe a Brady.The point is that you can get a quality QB anywhere though, generally, the learning curve integral to the position does seem to require some apprenticeship, whether with the team of origin (as Pennington), Canadian ball (as Garcia) or the Arena League (as Warner and Maddox).Then there are those clipboard holders who subsequently proved out after moving on including Brunell, Brooks, Favre, Green, Hasselback and Holcombe.�����

 

Possibly, Boller will be the BPA at 1.27, possibly not; regardless, the Steelers must hope to finish draft day two with the best roster possible.With their issues in the secondary, we can presume that they�ll be looking at D-backs sooner rather than later, whether on a BPA, BAP or RFR basis.Given that:

 

The following table displays those D-backs listed as starters on Ourlads depth charts.The players in boldface are those who may be regarded as lockdown CB or established as playmaking safeties.Typically, the modifier �established� causes the boldface to skew old; younger players may yet establish but, generally, those men are not highlighted here.

 

Round

Corners

Safeties

1st, top 10,

 

 

 

 

7 CB, 2 Safeties

Champ Bailey

Quentin Jammer

Chris McAlister

Shawn Springs

Duane Starks

Troy Vincent

Charles Woodson

Roy Williams

Rod Woodson (as CB)

1st, remaining

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

15 CB, 7 Safeties

Will Allen

Fernando Bryant

Philip Buchanon

Jeff Burris

Dale Carter

Nate Clements

Aaron Glenn

Walt Harris

Ty Law

RJ McQuarters

Delthea O�Neal

Ahmed Plummer

Chad Scott

Dewayne Washington

Antoine Winfield

Adam Archuleta

Donovin Darius

Derrick Gibson

Tebucky Jones

Ed Reed

Shaun Williams

Jerome Woods

2nd

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

17 CB, 17 safeties

 

Ashley Ambrose

William Bartee

Gary Baxter

Andre Dyson

Travis Fisher

Corey Fuller

Artrell Hawkins

Brian Kelly

Ken Lucas

Sam Madison

Ryan McNeil

Samari Rolle

Fred Smoot

Patrick Surtain

Bobby Taylor

Fred Thomas

Jason Webster

Idrees Bashir

Rogers Beckett

Eric Brown

Mike Brown

Corey Chavous

Brian Dawkins

Deon Grant

Kim Herring

Kenoy Kennedy

Lawyer Milloy

Mike Minter

Mark Roman

Tony Parrish

Darren Sharper

Reggie Tongue

Tank Williams

Darren Woodson

3rd

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

14 CB, 8 safeties

Donny Abraham

Ronde Barber

Aaron Beasley

Ray Buchanon

Andre Goodman

Eric Kelly

David Macklin

Daylon McCutcheon

Mike McKenzie

Will Peterson

Derek Ross

Denard Walker

Aeneas Williams

Tyrone Williams

Marques Anderson

Cory Bird

Corey Harris

John Lynch

Matt Stevens

Greg Wesley

Adrian Wilson

Coy Wire

4th

 

 

4 CB, 5 safeties

 

David Barrett

Ken Irvin

Brian Williams

Dexter Jackson

Pierson Prioleau

Damien Robinson

Marcus Robinson

Lance Schulters

5th

 

 

3 CB, 5 safeties

Jerry Azumah

Marco Coleman

Jason Craft

Lee Flowers

Arturo Freeman

Sam Garnes

Rodney Harrison

Sam Shade

6th

 

2 CB, 3 safeties

Chris Cash

Mario Edwards

Brent Alexander

Marquand Manual

Izell Reese

7th

 

1 CB, 4 safeties

Eric Warfield

Mike Green

Brock Marion

Gerald McBurrows

Marlon McCree

FA or 8th and beyond

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

3 CB, 13 safeties.

Terry Cousin

Reggie Howard

Otis Smith

 

Jay Bellamy

Blaine Bishop

Jack Brewer

Zach Bronson

Keion Carpenter

Robert Griffith

Sammy Knight

Kwame Lassiter

Earl Little

Anthony Mitchell

Omar Stoutmire

David Terrell

Brian Walker

 

 

Observations:

 

  • QB can be found anywhere in the draft, or via various FA routes.

 

  • Broadly, CB can be found in the first three rounds only, after that, not at all.Given that the Steelers are drafting at the bottom of each frame, the CB the FO will be looking at are in the range of those found in the 2nd and 3rd rounds above.The quality in the 2nd (Steeler 1st) is roughly split between smaller, swift CB and CB/FS types (as Gary Baxter) but the quality in the 3rd (Steeler 2nd) is with smaller, quick CB.It is worth noting that there are about as many lockdown types shown above in the 2nd frame as in the (true) first.

 

  • (34) starting safeties were taken from the 1st through the 3rd; (30) starting safeties were picked up thereafter. On balance, the distribution at the safety position is similar to that at QB.Generally, the second day players are in-the-box type; exceptions to that include Schulters, Lassiter, Knight and McCree, FS who have shown the ability to make plays on the ball despite an absence of any draft-worthy measurables.

 

In the � Brief History�� we looked closely at the 2000 draft.Coincidentally, that was the last year in which the Steelers drafted both a QB and a CB.Those players were Tee Martin and Hank Poteat; unfortunately, both have busted.Now, this seems to put the lie to the notion of drafting a small CB in the 3rd and a developmental QB later but, dividing that class by the (4) QB who have developed as starters, consider:

 

Chad Pennington was drafted 1.18.Arguably, Pennington has shown as the BPA at that point in the draft, though Keith Bullock (1.30) must have his backers.Regardless, the Steelers would have had to pass on Plax to take Pennington and few here now would make that deal.For what it�s worth, only (1) DB was drafted between Spike and Pennington; that man was Delthea O�Neal (1.15).

 

Twelve D-backs were drafted between Pennington and Chris Redman @ 3.75; of those, eight have developed as starters.Redman was the 3rd QB taken; the 2nd, Giovanni Carmazzi busted miserably.

 

Eighteen D-backs were drafted between Redman and Mark Bulger @ 6.168; of those, five have developed as starters.Poteat was in that range and, obviously, Poteat has not beaten the odds; however, David Macklin and David Barrett, both smallish CB drafted after Poteat, have.Bulger was the 5th QB taken; unfortunately, the Steelers drafted the 4th QB, Tee Martin, five spots forward at 5.163.

 

Tom Brady was drafted @ 6.199; of six D-backs were taken in the range between Bugler and Brady, one (Mario Edwards) has developed as a starter.Brady was the 7th QB drafted, after Spergon Wynn and just before Todd Husak.After Brady, (3) QB and (5) D-backs were selected; none have developed as starters although one, Tim Rattay, quickly surpassed Carmazzi on the 49er�s depth chart.

 

        The period between Pennington and Redman describes the range in which the Steelers will make their first two picks; in 2000, 8/12 D-backs drafted there developed as starters.In the same period, (1) of (2) QB did so.

 

  • The period between Redman and Brady describes the range in which the Steelers will make their next four picks; in 2000, 6/24 D-backs drafted there developed as starters.In the same period, 2/4 QB did so.

 

  • Broadly, analysis of the class of 2000 confirms the observation section above.Starting QB were found in the 1st, 3rd and 6th rounds in 2000; this approaches the distribution in the opening table.8/12 D-backs taken from the late 1st to mid-3rd developed as starters; of the remaining 29 drafted, at the position, only 6 developed.

 

Summary:

 

  • The D-back table (second above) says �go early at CB or don�t go at all.�

 

  • The uncertainty factors in projecting performance from prospects (as shown in the 8/12 2000 rate above) suggests doubling up; an FO may miss with any given D-back but is unlikely to miss twice, at least not in the 27-59 range.���
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