Stacking the Board, take two: March 17
Again, I�m listing players in order of impact rather than position. However, I�m modifying this list to allow a few "reach" types to be selected over "value at the spot" types. For example, considered in isolation, Smoot may be a better value than Hampton in the 1st round. However, Hampton�s ability as a run stuffer should act as a multiplier to the pass rush abilities of Porter and Smith. If so, increased productivity from those players must factor in and that productivity, by reducing the burden on the DB, would decrease the need for an upgrade at that position. Therefore, Hampton would have more impact than Smoot.
Key Information:
(Player name): Desirable but will probably be gone. (FA) listed are gone. Player name: this is a player that I really like. Position titles spring from the "state of the art" discussions in previous articles. "Value @ the spot" is some consensus from various draft gurus. I don�t always agree and (DND) which is "do not draft" will indicate that. "Stretch" is also a consensus from various sources.
First Round: With the Hartings signing, OL are off the board for this round.
Position |
Value @ the spot |
Stretch, more or less |
Later, similar type |
Equivalent FA Cap victim |
Rush DE |
(Justin Smith) |
DeLawrence Grant |
|
(Marcellus Wiley) (Kenny Holmes) (Jason Taylor) |
Run-stuffers |
(Gerard Warren) |
Casey Hampton(DND) M. Stroud |
Shaun Rogers |
Ted Washington, Cortez Kennedy, Dana Stubblefield |
DT/3-4 DE |
Richard Seymour(DND) D. Lewis |
|
Kris Jenkins Willie Howard |
Chester McGlockton, (Kevin Carter) |
LB Combo Coverage Upfield |
(Dan Morgan) Jamal Reynolds |
Tom Polley |
Kendrell Bell Sedrick Hodge Torrance. Marshall Karon Riley |
|
CB Combo type Coverage |
Fred Smoot |
W. Middlebrooks N. Clements Will Allen |
W. Petersen Ken Lucas Jamar Fletcher |
(Jason Sehorn) |
QB |
|
Drew Brees |
|
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Notes on the players listed:
Smith and Warren appear to be certain top 5 players; the Stillers will have no shot at these men. Richard Seymour is an enigma; said to be a hard worker and good teammate, clearly has size and ability but his regular season production was rather modest and he did skip the Senior Bowl. Reynolds came to the Combine at 268# and ran a 4.65. Previously, had been listed at 255# and 4.55. Evidently, Jamal wants to be a DE; I think that�s an error. There are very few 6�-2" DE in the NFL; unless he has a very quick and powerful punch, NFL OT will steer him wide of their QB. At OLB, Reynolds has impact ability, his 4.65, run bulked-up, equals Joey Porter�s Combine time in�99. Reynolds, Smith and Morgan are my early co-favorites for 2001 defensive ROY. Speaking of Morgan, I like this player for his great leadership as much as for his considerable athletic ability. However, the consensus seems to be that he will go to Seattle at #7 overall.
To me, the choice is easy if any of those five men are on the board. If not, Hampton leaps up both because of his size/position and, like Morgan, his leadership. Hampton could be had in the 20�s overall; this argues for the Stillers to move down.
Middlebrooks, at 6�-2" and 4.38, seems to be a prototype CB; in 1999, Willie was all Big Ten. However, he is very inexperienced; picking him here would be a projection. Clements ran 4.28 in Columbus; this solidifies him in the 1st round. However, like Allen, Clements is very raw; with Middlebrooks, these 3 CB are values based on ability but not production. Smoot had a fine Senior Bowl, is a good cover corner but doesn�t have much size. Fletcher turned out to be a dwarf.
Like Seymour, Stroud is another enigma. After an indifferent senior season, he dominated 3 Wolverine O-linemen at the Senior Bowl. To me, that is tantamount to, say, Haggans dominating the 2nd half of any exhibition game last summer. Stroud is huge and said to be very strong but did only 21 reps at the Combine; Chris Combs, who is considered weak, did 22 last year. At 6�-6", Stroud may be too tall to be a NT but lacks the speed and lateral agility to play outside. He sounds like Jeremy Staat to me; this man has enormous bust potential and, as of now, joins Lewis on my DND list.
Willie Howard is considered a 4-3 �tweener but is described as, potentially, a quality 3-4 DE. I�d prefer to phase out the 3-4 but it is fair to say that, like Hampton and Morgan, Howard was a high try, leadership guy during his college career. Howard lists at 6�-4", 295# and has been credited with a 4.78 in the 40. Didn�t fare especially well in post-season games where Hampton and Stroud starred; no way is he a mid-first and may not be worth a mid- second.
Consider the following matrix for evaluating players. I�m going to give a few examples; you can do the rest. Eye test refers to "state of the art." Football character refers to leadership, toughness, or team orientation as opposed to gentler, civilian virtues. "Where taken" refers to value/position/round as described in my Pro Bowl Analysis previous. "Work out confirmation" suggests that the proper use of Combine or campus activities is to confirm that players have the ability to play in the NFL; it follows that these should not be used to project that any Scott Shields type player will, in fact, succeed.
Player |
Eye Test |
College Production |
Workouts confirm eye test? |
Football character |
Where drafted |
Draft/DND |
Remarks |
Dan Morgan |
Yes |
Excellent |
Yes |
Excellent |
1st is high for MLB. |
Yes |
Won�t last past the Seahawks. |
Jamal Reynolds |
Yes |
Excellent. |
Yes |
No info |
Absolutely, pass rushers are at a premium. |
Yes, with interview |
Work out at LB before drafting. |
Richard Seymour |
Yes |
Spotty |
No info |
Mixed |
1st yields 11/12 Pro Bowl DT. |
Get info and interview |
Mysterious failure to participate in post-season is a worry. |
Casey Hampton |
Yes |
Very good |
Probably. Did 34 reps, agility tests to follow |
Excellent |
1st yields 11/12 Pro Bowl DT. |
Yes. 6th choice in first; best value in 2nd but won�t last. |
Has state of the art bulk for a run-stuffer; is a leader. . |
Willie Middlebrooks |
Yes |
Good, marred by injury. |
No info |
No info |
Pro Bowl CB drafted 1-3 only. |
2nd |
Sehorn was a 2nd and this man isn�t worth a 1st. |
Kris Farris, OT 1999 draft |
Yes |
Outland Trophy |
No |
Known to be a cinema buff; may be too well rounded to play in the NFL. |
No, 3rd round is too late at LOT. |
No |
Did 6 reps at the Combine a figure shameful to WR and DB. Too little strength and, perhaps, too many other interests to succeed in the trenches. |
Earl Holmes 1996 draft |
Yes |
Yes, but small school |
No, fairly slow |
Excellent |
Yes, top MLB are available on 2nd day. |
Yes |
Though hindsight, this suggests football character can overcome certain athletic limitations. Location in the draft with respect to position factors in. |
Second Round:
Same as the first, Hartings cancels Raiola.There aren�t a lot of elite prospects in this draft but there is good depth. Regardless of position, the players available at 16 overall (with the 5 exceptions noted) will be only marginally better prospects than those available at 50. As with the discussion pertaining to Hampton, this suggests that the Stillers move down, if possible.
There are a large number of DB and LB who would be values at this spot. While there is depth on the DL, the premium that position commands (Ref: Pro Bowl article) suggests that, if the Stillers are going to draft a run stuffer, they�d better go earlier. Right now, at least 8 teams picking between #16 and #50 would have interest in such a player. They are: Indy, St. Louis (twice their 1st and KC�s 2nd round picks), Cleveland, Arizona (assuming Justin Smith in the 1st), Cincinnati, Dallas, Seattle and the Jets. Not all teams will go that way but some will. Warren will be gone before the Stillers ever draft. As things stand, Hampton will be gone before their second chance arrives. While there is depth at DT, that isn�t infinite.
Position |
Value @ the Spot |
Stretch |
Later, similar type |
Equivalent FA Cap victim |
CB Combo Cover |
(Middlebrooks) (Will Allen) |
Will Petersen Ken Lucas |
Jue, Dwight Smith Ray Walls |
Denard Walker Ronde Barber |
LB Combo Cover Upfield |
Kendrell Bell(Tom Polley) Sedrick Hodge Torrance Marshall |
(DND) J. Winborn (DND) Keith Adams Quentin Caver Karon Riley |
Chris Edmonds Eric Westmoreland Brian Allen Roland Seymour |
(Dexter Coakley) |
Run-stuffers |
Willie Blades Shaun Rogers |
Mario Fatafehi |
Mario Monds |
(Jason Ferguson) (Lionel Dalton) |
Safety |
(Derrick Gibson) Alan Archuleta |
Hakim Akbar Marlon McCree |
Corey Hall |
Mike Logan |
DT/3-4DE |
Kris JenkinsWillie Howard |
|
Daleroy Stewart Ron Edwards Derrick Chambers |
Christian Peters |
Rush DE |
(DeLawrence Grant) |
|
Cedric Scott Paul Tovissi |
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Notes on the Players listed:
I like Middlebrooks or Allen here but I don�t see it happening. Lucas is inexperienced and one scouting source reports that this man turns down tackles. This should be verified since the reason to take a 200# CB is to get run support. Petersen is a projection here as Middlebrooks was in the 1st.
There is a concentration of value at LB. The measurables given here are from the Combine including (bench, 40, cone). Seasonal stats are (tackles, TFL, sacks, Int).
Kendrell Bell went 6�-1", 234# and did (24, 4.65,4.5). His Combine figures closely match those of Mark Simoneau and Corey Moore from �00 except that his cone was slower. Both of those players were 3rd round selections and did play well in various duties. Bell�s stats were (85,5,2,0). Bell is an aggressive read and react LB who did display leadership and a good approach. He lacks experience in coverage.
Sedrick Hodge went 6�-3+, 244# and did (21, 4.46, and 4.09). Hodge was the fastest LB at the Combine at 10, 20 and 40 yards. His measurables approach Keith Bullock�s numbers from �00; Bullock was a 1st round pick by the Titans and is a "speed freak" LB. Hodge�s stats were (82,6,7,0). Hodge is not a finished product; he lacks strength at the point of attack and generally is better in space than, say, over the TE. However, he has all the skills; he is fast and fluid, he will be able to cover. A highly aggressive player who wants to get better; Hodge would be my selection here, if available.
Torrance Marshall went 6�-0", 249. He didn�t participate in the Combine workout but is reported to have done a sub 4.5 40. Good stats for the champion Sooners (87,11,5,0). I like him a little better than Bell but not as much as Hodge.
Caver showed up at 6�-4", 227# and did (23, 4.65, 4.21). His stats were (91,10,2,1). Reportedly, this man had some difficulty locating the ball in post-season games. That�s a problem for a LB. Caver projects well but I don�t like him. Karon Riley came to the Combine at 6�-2", 264# didn�t bench but ran as well as Jamal Reynolds. Riley�s stock went up but, like Reynolds, I see him as an OLB or rush specialist.
Eric Westmoreland is Dexter Coakley in Volunteer drag. Small, 5�-11 �", 236# but did (21, 4.63,4.21). Aggressive and can play over the TE, at least in college. Locates the ball and reacts well but is a poor pass rusher. Good approach, good leadership, a very tenacious player who impressed at the Senior Bowl. While his measurables and production as similar to Bell and Marshall, he is ranked lower. Westmoreland would be an outstanding 3rd round selection.
Turning to the run-stuffers, Shaun Rogers came to the Combine in a wheelchair and is no longer considered a 1st round prospect. This man has a Sam Adams physique and, like Adams, a reputation for laziness. Suffered a high ankle sprain, or so it is said. Rogers looks like a premium DT; the Stillers should get UPMC on his case immediately. Blades is moving up much as Steve Warren did last year but probably will settle back into the 3rd. Fatafehi, while productive in college, came to the Combine at 295# (advertised as 310#) and ran slow. Darren Howard and Simoneau, both �00 K-State products, played better than they projected last year but, as of now the Fat-Man is out of my 2nd round selection list. I really like Mario Monds, but not at #50 overall.
I like Archuleta for reasons given in earlier articles but the Stillers have needs beyond Safety. DT/DE Jenkins measured at 6�-5", 316# and did (33, 5.14, 4.41). He had decent speed at 10 and 20 yards but fell off the pace. His cone test was #2 for DL and his bench was also #2. Played well at the Senior Bowl but remains a projection here. DeLawrence Grant is also a projection; his workouts now match Justin Smith�s but his career did not. This man is highly irrelevant unless the Stillers go 4-3. Willie Howard is the anti-Grant; he would become irrelevant if the Stillers went 4-3.
Outlook: Here are a couple options, roughly ordered.
Morgan and Rogers or Jenkins: Top LB, various questions at DL.
Morgan and Archuleta: Great leadership and athleticism but addresses neither DL nor CB.
Seymour and Rogers or Jenkins: DL goes from weak to, potentially, awesome. However, there are questions with all of these players.
Seymour and Hodge: Could be superb but not in 2001.
Hampton and Rogers or Jenkins: As dual DL above except there are no questions with Hampton. Lower ceiling than Seymour though.
Hampton and Hodge: One jumbo DT and one swift, aggressive LB. The Stillers could do worse, and have.
Best Case: Stillers trade down and get:
Hampton, Hodge and Archuleta or Middlebrooks. There is bulk, speed and leadership.
Summary: There are 5 D-side players who combine state of the art physical traits with great football character. They are Justin Smith, Casey Hampton, Dan Morgan, Sedrick Hodge and Alan Archuleta. The Stillers have a reasonable shot at two; with some effort they may get three.
Second Day: there will be some first day prospects sliding into the 4th round though, perhaps, not all the way down to the Stillers. There should be value in the interior OL and with run-stuffing MLB. There will be speed to help ST all day.
Position |
4th |
5th |
6th |
7th |
FA |
Interior OL |
Victor Leyva Ray Redziniak Omar Smith Paul Zaukukas |
Pork Chop Womack Josh Redding |
Casey Raybach |
Bruce Wiggins John Semchenko |
|
OT |
Chris Brown Kenyatta Jones Ryan Diem |
Dennis Norman |
Jerry Jackson |
Josh Moore |
Scott Kempenich |
Run-stuffer |
Mario Monds Mario Fatafehi |
|
Shawn Worthen |
|
|
DT/3-4DE |
Kenny Smith Daleroy Stewart |
Ennis Davis |
Ron Edwards |
Derrick Chambers |
|
Speed LB Run-stop LB |
Chris Edmonds Edgar Hartwell |
Roylin Bradley Brandon Spoon |
Brady O�Donnell |
|
Kevin Nagle, Juqua Isabelle, Noifaiga |
CB |
Dwight Smith Micheal Stone Eric Kelly |
Raymond Walls |
|
Scott Carey Dyshod Carter |
Trayvon Walker Nate Gates |
S |
Corey Hall |
|
|
|
Curtis Fuller |